Note: The audio attached to this Webworm compliments today’s newsletter. I collected it as I met people attending a Creed concert. Their opinions may differ to mine.
Hi,
When I was 14 I was obsessed with a band called Creed.
I’d come home from school, and the first thing I’d do is go to my room, shut my door, get out my discman, and put on Creed’s 1997 album My Own Prison.
I was deep in Christianity at the time, and my musical tastes reflected that. Apart from some Britpop sneaking in, I lived on a musical diet of DC Talk, Jars and Clay and Newsboys (to this day I maintain that the songs “Supernatural”, “Crazy Times” and “Entertaining Angels” are absolute bangers).
Then Creed came along, fronted by Scott Stapp.
Creed did something very interesting, because they never marketed themselves as a Christian band — they snuck in under the radar, appealing to people who did not give a shit about God or faith. They also happened to sing an awful lot about God and faith.
An absence of a Christian label also gave them room to be slightly more edgy. They seemed more aggressive and angry, and didn’t mind throwing in the odd “goddamn” in their lyrics, which to me at the time seemed exceedingly blasphemous and naughty (and therefore cool). As I was going through the emotions of a relatively fresh teenager, Creed hit an angsty (but God-approved) sweet spot.
As this 2000 story from Spin magazine explains, I wasn’t the only kid listening to Creed. Creed got big.
Scott Stapp leads the most popular hard-rock band in America. Creed’s second album, Human Clay, recently went quadruple-platinum and is holding strong in the Top 10 almost a year after its release.
Their tormented, fire-and-brimstone music, which crosses the thick guitars of Metallica with the thundering dynamics of Alice in Chains, would be more at home in the grunge era. Stapp eschews baseball caps for tight leather pants and long hair, looking like an early-’90 throwback (and his baritone sounds eerily like Eddie Vedder’s).
But whether it’s the Doors or U2 or Soundgarden or Live, the world always needs at least one rock band with an overwrought sense of musical drama, and Creed hold that mantle today. Stapp’s lyrics, which draw heavily on biblical imagery, are usually news bulletins from the land of anguish. For instance, “Forked tongues in bitter mouths / Can drive a man to bleed from inside out.”
It’s sort of hard to explain unless you’re from that world, but I grew up in a form of Christianity that made it very clear everything in the world was sinful, and if you weren’t careful Satan would get his hooks in and take you directly to hell.
Like all teenagers I gravitated towards music, but I had this extra step in the process where I had to check the lyrics aligned with Biblical values. While other kids were listening to Nine Inch Nails’s The Downward Spiral, I had to carefully skip songs like “Heresy” and “Closer”.
But with a band like Creed — I could listen and not sin.
It was heaven.
It’s difficult to say exactly when Creed peaked, but it was probably very adjacent to one of America’s biggest lows.
In the wake of 9/11, the band was invited to perform at the Dallas Cowboy’ halftime show on Thanksgiving — November 22, 2001.
The performance that followed is probably one of the most patriotic things that’s ever existed, Stapp performing the band’s motivational hit “Higher” to footage of 9/11 firefighters — all as aerialists glided, choirs sung, and fireworks exploded.
If Creed was on a rollercoaster, that was the peak. What followed almost felt inevitable in the world of 2000s fame, and Stapp ended up hooked on Percocet, Xanax and prednisone.
In 2002, less than a year after that Dallas Cowboys show, a “belligerently drunk Stapp forgot the words to his songs and stumbled off the stage for 10 minutes”. Four members of the audience sued Creed for $2 million dollars. As Slate noted, “even Creed fans had started to hate Creed.”
Four years later it was Scott Stapp’s turn to file a lawsuit as he attempted to block a sex tape featuring himself, Kid Rock, and four women. There was a domestic violence incident, and he tried to die by suicide by jumping off a 40 foot balcony.
Rapper T.I. found him, and reportedly saved him.
In 2014, Stapp posted a video to the bands Facebook page that could only be described as unhinged. He claimed to be “compliment penniless” and staying in a Holiday Inn, the IRS freezing his bank accounts.
I remember watching that video, aged 31, thinking how incredibly sad it all was. “Holy shit, that’s that band I was obsessed with when I was 14.”
I assumed that would have been my last “Holy shit!” thought when it came to Creed — but I was wrong.
Because in 2024 — Creed came back.
If the band’s biggest peak came in the wake of 9/11, then the band’s resurrection arrived in the wake of Covid. And don’t blame me for these grand, idiotic links I’m drawing here: Creed elicits this kind of over the top, grand thinking.
Because as Covid restrictions were lifted, sports teams started to use Creed “as their go-to battle music”… again. And it wasn’t just football.
Last November a full stadium full of baseball fans sung “Higher” to celebrate the Texas Rangers World Series win. Months later, a remix of “One Last Breath” began to be played in some of New York’s hottest clubs. Creed was in a fucking Superbowl commercial.
Somehow, impossibly, Creed was once again one of the biggest bands on the planet. “The band has clearly crossed some sort of inscrutable cultural Rubicon and thrown reality into flux—up is down, black is white, and, due to a sublime confluence of biting irony and prostrating sincerity, Creed fucking rocks,” wrote Slate.
Scott Stapp had gotten straight, and Creed had picked up their guitars again.
They were on tour, and they were playing an hours’ drive away from me, and dear God I was going.
I invited a variety of friends to go with me to see Creed, and all of them refused.
So at 2pm on a Saturday afternoon, I created My Own Prison and started the 1.5 hour drive east to San Bernardino, California.
I don’t really understand San Bernardino, and I still don’t — but it’s a sprawling part of Inland Empire. Being there, David Lynch’s film started to make a bit more sense.
I arrived at the Glen Helen Amphitheater at around 2pm, greeted by a giant, dusty car park and an assortment of fans tailgating to their heart’s content. Back when I was 14, I never imagined being a 41-year-old man in America going to watch them play for the first time, surrounded by a bunch of hardcore Creed fans.
And so I decided to go out and talk to them. I recorded some of that audio for you to listen to.
What I discovered was a surreal, strange thing. There was an element of the crowd that was a bit like me — there for old times’ sake.
“Just nostalgia. So, like a lot of the young kids who grew up with Creed are now adults with disposable income,” a man in pink jeans tells me.
But a few cars down, it was a very different scene — a giant truck with “We The People” emblazoned on the back window, a thin blue line flag waving in the wind.
“There’s a lot of good things in life, but there’s nothing better than an American flag,” a guy in a gray singlet tells me. “We the people — it was part of the Constitution. It just represents our American freedom. The reason we’re having a good time, and not a care in the world.”
As I walk towards the entrance to the venue, and talk to more and more fans, I realise many of them were here for God as much as Creed.
“If you don’t know, they’re really Christian based,” a dude in a bandana says. “They’re really Christian men. Dude, Scott Stapp, he was spoken to by God to make those lyrics. Hands down, hands down, he’s spoken to by God.”
The more people I speak to, the more I realise those first lads — who spoke of nostalgia and one-off hits — they were in the minority here.
A group of women — all staggered in age, drinking, and here for Creed: “I’m 53. She’s like ten years older than me and she’s ten years younger than me,” says the one in the middle. “So we have 40, 50 and 60. It’s very uplifting to me as a Catholic, Christian woman. And [Stapp’s] trials and tribulations makes it even better.”
I can’t resist, and ask who they’re voting for. They make it very clear they think America needs Donald Trump.
The youngest explains her strange kind of logic to me: “I just don’t think that it’s wise for us to have a female president, because I think we are in international affairs, and I do still think that there are a lot of countries that don’t uphold women. They don’t respect them.”
Inside the venue, openers 3 Doors Down are playing. They are flanked on the stage by American flags, and after their hit “Kryptonite” plays, singer Brad Arnold prays over the audience to “bless America.”
I hadn’t even realised 3 Doors Down were Christian. The entire audience erupts into claps and cheers.
It’s a hot day, and a lot of shirts are off.
Others are, unfortunately, on.
The 14 year me in his New Zealand bedroom did not imagine future fellow fans donning shirts emblazoned with “1776”:
References to the year 1776 and the American Revolution have grown substantially among the far-right as Trump supporters and conspiracy theorists have hinted at the possibility of a revolution in the wake of Trump’s election loss, which they view, falsely, as illegitimate. Trump allies and surrogates, including first-term Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) and Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.), referred to Jan. 6 as Republicans’ “1776 moment.”
As the sun sets, I think about the particularly strange fusion of Christianity and America I’ve dedicated my Saturday to. I wonder if there was a version of my life where I would have been one of these people.
By the time Creed comes on stage at 9.20pm, it’s a fever dream.
Scott Stapp is, undeniably, an incredible frontman. His voice is powerful and he looks the fittest I’ve ever seen him. He strikes ridiculous poses, and I’m reminded that he’s playing fucking Frank Sinatra in a film this year.
2024 is his year. Later this year, his band will fill up Madison Square Garden.
In between songs, he talks at length about his struggles. He has the word-count and cadence of an evangelical preacher, and the crowd is lapping it up.
“Sometimes the greatest gift we can have is desperation. Because when you run out of options, my friend, you start screaming, ‘Oh God! Oh, God. Oh, God!’ It’s a human instinct. You cry out to your maker. Think about that one. Chew on it,” he tells us, before launching into my favourite song, “My Own Prison.”
14 year old me is ecstatic. 41 year old me is ecstatic.
He hits every hit and every note. There are guitar solos galore and giant flames erupt from the stage at perfectly choreographed intervals.
At one stage, he dramatically stops the show and asks for the lights to come up. “Quickly, quickly! Come on, come on! We need help over here! Someone’s got a pretty bad head injury over here,” he announces.
As medics make their way through the pit, he makes one request. “If you have faith and you believe in God, let’s pray. Everyone who has faith. You’ve got to protect him right now. Let’s call down the Holy spirit.”
With that, he starts praying, any illusion that Creed was anything but a Christian band long extinguished.
It’s strange, watching this particular band with this particular audience. This is the first concert I’ve attended that felt more Trump rally than rock show. I realise that Christianity and politics are deeply entwined, but I didn’t suspect this point would wallop me over the head quite this dramatically at a fucking Creed concert.
Teenage me had no idea he’d ever watch Creed perform, and certainly had no idea what they’d end up representing to so many fans.
When I was a kid, they were a band that felt safe even for a sheltered Christian. Now here they are, 27 years later, a symbol for a lying narcissist accused of multiple sexual assaults who wants to be president again.
“We the people — it was part of the Constitution. It just represents our American freedom. The reason we’re having a good time, and not a care in the world.”
I suppose I’m speaking on assumptions here, but this might be the most straight white male thing I’ve ever read. Ahh the privilege to be this ignorant…
3 Doors Down are a Christian band?! I'm honouring your ability to just BE present at that gig; the idea of being surrounded by that many Trump thinkers fills me with dread, especially the comment from the woman who justifies why a woman can't be in office. Smashed it again David thank you.
I was just informed my someone in these comments that they performed at Trump's inauguration!
Gah! https://www.billboard.com/video/inauguration-2017-three-doors-down-performs-when-im-gone-7662392/
Ewww no. Teenage me is shuddering.
It's always seemed obvious to me that Christian Nationalism and authoritarianism appeal to certain folks because both ideologies relieve them of the uncomfortable requirement to think for themselves. Someone else, usually a man, is here to tell them what to do.
You can see the paternalistic impulse in real time whenever Trump is asked an awkward question by someone who might be 1. intelligent 2. a woman or 3. black. His response will automatically include the word "nasty" in a desperate attempt to remind the questioner she is being uppity.
Looking forward to the forthcoming debate - I hope Kamala wipes the floor with him.
I've heard some podcasts with this guy called Brad Onishi who is an ex-evangelical himself, and he makes this argument that this kind of 'faith' isn't faith at all, it's certainty. His thinking is that true faith is actually entertaining your doubts and engaging in those big questions whereas bullheadedly adhering to the same story and rules misses the whole point of what practicing a religion is supposed to be about. I originally heard him on Conspirituality but he has his own podcast called - and I love this - 'Straight White American Jesus".
I only like faith in the George Michael sense - what a great song that is.
I will look them up.
I have followed with fascination Nick Cave's transformation from the wild, destructive, confrontational punk of The Birthday Party to the perceptive, thoughtful, empathetic (and religious) person he is today.
He is a force for good in the world.
There is a great interview I listened to on YT last weekend with the Australian journalist whose name I have forgotten. Pure excellence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXPIBFfA2Ho
Thanks, Bob.
Cool, thanks, I'm going to go look at this.
“greatest grunge bands of all time”, umm excuse me, this GenXer who graduates HS in ‘95 disagrees! How about Pearl Jam, Sound Garden, Nirvana, STP!
That was a really interesting chat - she was 27 and there with her dad, and yeah - in her mind Stapp was up there with Eddie and Chris. She was a genuine music fan which is great, but of course part of my old 41 year old brain grimaced. But - who am I to be a snob!
Wise words.... After decades I still have to try not to immediately judge people based on their lack of taste... the barometer being "anything I like is cool and if you dont like it you arent cool". As a teen/early 20s person though that "I like these flavours of music" was a barometer to whether you had a good Saturday night or got the shit kicked out of you in some alley. It defined your tribe.
thank you!! Creed is not a grunge band, and I would know - as a fellow, '95 HS grad who had a "grunge approved" sticker from Kmart on my car lol
They are most definitely post grunge!
Thank you for sharing this!! I had a similar growing up experience and a very similar experience at the concert in Chicago a couple weeks ago! Was wondering if it was this tour or specific to the area.
I’m pretty COVID cautious and wore a mask to the show. What an experience! I’ve never been publicly yelled at/made fun of to that degree before - or at least in adulthood. Was wild!
Anyway, I feel a lot less crazy, thank you for writing!
Hoo boy, not a very mask friendly show eh? That tracks.
The thing is - he's still got it, right? I am glad he got himself back from that awful time. Just wish he wasn't the champion of the Trumpers and Christian Nationalism.
Oh no! That's awful!! I'm sorry you had that experience. That's wild.
Ugh 😣 the hypocrisy of religious Trump supporters. Blind faith!
And we need more women in charge… Maybe there would be less war!
Fascinating (note: very flawed imo) argument to not put women in charge because other countries aren't ready for it!
Ridiculous argument. There’s been a number of pretty influential women leaders! 🤦🏼♀️
Impossible!
😂😂😂
A lot of very patriarchal countries have had women leaders. Michele Bachelet in Brazil, Joyce Banda in Malawi, Indira Gandhi in India, Benazir Bhutto in Pakistan. I cringe when people say that the world isn’t ready for the United States to have a woman in charge. Bullshite.
Yes! So many other countries have women leaders. It isn’t unheard of.
My daughter is now 13 but at one point there was Ardern, May and Merkel in power and she said to me 'mummy, can men be Prime Ministers?'. My work here is done..
Sadly women leaders are not immune from going to war. Golda Meir, Margaret Thatcher and Indira Gandhi all did it and let's not even imagine someone like Nikki "finish them" Haley or (God help us) MTG in a position to do so.
I really appreciate how diplomatic, polite, and earnest you are when speaking to other people about their beliefs/opinions. I know it's absolutely necessary to be a good journalist, but I still commend you for it.
I think this is David's gift. That the people he speaks to don't feel judged and are therefore to share what they really think.
100%!
I grew up in this sort of Christianity, and hearing any of these songs takes me right back to my fraught youth. Is there an alternate version of me who would still be in this and loving this version of Creed? I dislike this form of “patriotism”, but the part of me that still wonders if I’m hell bound feels a sympathy for their fervor.
It's the maddest kind of time travel, right?
Please use “die by suicide” rather than commit suicide 🖤
I was unfamiliar with the dialogue around this phrasing - will do some googling now. Apologies if I have offended.
Not offended and appreciate you Googling it. Great article though! I liked them when they first came out until I learned they’re a Christian band lol
The crazy thing is, Stapp denied being a Christian band in so much of the press 1997 - 2001. Very confusing for a Christian boy just wanting to do the right thing!
Fixed.
I did not know that this is the preferred phrasing. I think this is so much better. Using less shaming language is a step forward in supporting people. Thanks for highlighting this.
You’re very welcome. I have struggled with suicidal ideation in my (distant) past so it’s close to my heart
Wow. That was a compelling read..I had no idea Creed had become the soundtrack for the orange buffoon's legion of followers, or that the band were so outwardly Christian on stage. It's all a bit nauseating, and scary, and fascinating. I hope 14 year old you enjoyed the music; 41 year old you must have been a tad perplexed.
Right, me neither! Although when David said he was going, I was like hmmmm, this has got to be for a project.
I feel I would have gone with or without the idea of writing / recording. I was just so fucking *curious*. But as with so many things, recording enhanced the experience in a way, giving me an excuse to wander up and talk to all these people.
I'm a great believer in going to events/shows out of curiosity and because I know my 14-20 year old self would want me to 😬
I'm impressed at your ability to get people from all ideologies to open up to you.
When you started writing about the Christian nationalists, I was bracing myself for a retelling of an endless stream of incoherent insults relating to purple hair.
I love that curiosity!
Opening my inbox to an email titled “I went to a Creed Concert” brought an instant smile to my face! I liked them in the late 90s, too, and it felt like it wasn’t long before we weren’t allowed to admit we liked them. If we listened it had to be in a piss-take/hate-listen kind of way. So much nostalgia reading this morning. 3 Doors Down’s Kryptonite and Papa Roach’s My Last Resort were practically the soundtrack to my first year of high school. I recently got to scratch my own nostalgia itch by attending the Live and Incubus concert a few months back, the place was full of elder millennials doing the same thing! I’d always known Live were Christian but it had been completely lost on me how Christian they were, and it was quite overt at this concert with them being backlit by heavenly angelic visuals. Funny the things you miss in your youth 😅
Don't get me started about Live: Throwing Copper and the very strange Secret Samadhi were huge for me. And at that point, not very Christian? That seemed to come through in later albums, maybe?
I am yet to see Incubus - I'd like to. Who doesn't love a band with a DJ!
Live: Throwing Copper was my angsty teen ❤️. Saw them in 95 in Seattle-was everything to my 17yo self!
Throwing Copper is still my favourite album of all time. I identified so strongly with every song. I lived in a "shit town". Life at that point was pretty bleak for me and it was the perfect soundtrack.
I was SO into Live in the Secret Samadhi era, like obsessed. I went back quite recently and relistened and was horrified at how trite the lyrics felt to me. There’s still some banger tunes, but wow…
Papa Roach ❤️🪳 gosh I feel old lol. Hope you enjoyed those concerts!
Oh so many mentions of bands that take me right back to being a teenager! Jars of Clay, Newsboys, I listened to so much Christian stuff haha. I really liked 3 Doors Down and Creed but funnily enough didn't know they were Christian at the time! I was lucky to be a 00s teenager so there were some really good really heavy Christian bands I enjoyed too. I'm glad you enjoyed the music, even if the crowd was weird. I would love to see them just for nostalgias sake but I don't think I'd be able to cope with the religious stuff. Instead I get to enjoy accounts like yours!
Bit of a tangent - I grew up the opposite, fiercely anti religion. I went to a secular state school which was by no means perfect: best known for the broomstick incident and less well known for my old english teacher who invited students over to her place to have spas with her husband who is a registered sex offender, she still works there (!!!). Anyway what has this got to do with Creed? My highschool used to host these great bands which would play during assembly or at lunch time. They were charismatic and good looking and gave us passes to free concerts at the Napier Municipal theatre (fancy!). At 14 this was a sanctioned good time, parent friendly. At the second concert I went to the music ended and the lead singer started talking on stage - things like 'someone in the audience is sad because their parents are getting divorced' kinda thing. We then had to hold hands and they said a prayer, and he announced we were all born again Christians. I was furious, as if it was something that happened to me and I couldn't change it. And it worked on some of my mates, I felt so betrayed. Anyway for some reason this article reminded me of these clandestine tactics and how much I repel at any christian music, no matter how good.
Yikes! Nothing worse than a sneaky, unexpected and unwanted conversion. I have a similar problem in that the touchscreen on my car head unit is delaminating and (when it warms up) it skips stations all the way down to the hellfire preacher reminding me in a southern US accent that Jesus is cominnnnnnggg to save me. ALWAYS it stops on these religious stations. Clearly, the universe is sending me some sort of message.
Creeds first 2 albums were in heavy rotation for me. And when they broke up and the band started Altar Bridge, it was good to hear them still going. I’m also a fan of the guitarist side project Tremonti and it’s heavy and catchy.
But I’m not going to lie. I’m caught off guard by the resurgence of Creed. I never saw this in the cards that they would be playing pack houses across the county.
Who knew?
I continue to be fascinated and horrified by Christian Nationalism. I too wonder if there's a version of me that could have ended up at this show, or events like it because of my own evangelical past.
Also, good call to include that comment that you don't look a day over 30, David. Nice! 😆
I am going to nerd out a little bit here because I was once 14 and in love with the band. Mark Tremonti is the reason I picked up a guitar. I have my Tremonti Signature SE signed by him, but now hate that he wrote Creed next to his signature as they disbanded shortly after I met him. Plus my opinion of the band has changed. I think I dug them because it did have a lot of Christian undertones. Growing up in a conservative Lutheran home, I started questioning things, which I felt like was happening lyrically in the My Own Prison album.
I still love the old music, but cannot stand Scott Stapp. All 3 of the original bandmates formed Alter Bridge, with Myles Kennedy, in 2004. Myles also fronts Slash’s band and he definitely is not Christian. They are 100x better than Creed. Tremonti’s solo stuff is heavier and great too. Oh, Tremonti does have a Frank Sinatra album. Out of Creed he would have been the obvious choice to play him in a movie. 🤣
In 2008 Creed had their first reunion with a horrible 4th album. I did go to the tour for nostalgia’s sake and had a blast, but I just wish they would leave Creed in the past. Maybe it’s just an easy cash grab for the guys to fund their other projects?
I am curious on what the band members themselves all think of Trump or their music being aligned with that movement. In the past, the bassist Brian Marshall showed his support during the Trump presidency on Facebook. Scott Phillips (drummer) isn’t vocal but I’ve seen things he has liked on IG and he seems more neutral. I have not seen anything political from Mark. Stapp seems obvious. As far as Alter Bridge goes, Myles seems liberal based off his IG and who he follows. I am fascinated by the differences between the bands and their frontmen, and would love to know how that works during these tense political times.
Mark leans left. Myles is further left. Some of my favorite AB songs are the socially conscious ones. Bleed It Dry perhaps above all. Wayward One is another standout.
Good intel.
Those are great songs! Both Blackbird and Fortress are my favorite AB albums.
Excellent choices!
You are very knowledgeable!! Respect.
You might remember that 3 Doors Down played at Trump’s inauguration? So maybe it’s not too much of a surprise to see them support Creed. I still listen to Kryptonite regularly, for all my sins. A great track.
I had no idea! I was shook.
I do wonder if Christianity, at least in New Zealand, was at its teen culture peak when Creed hit - we had some big groups of Christian kids at my public high school and, oddly enough at least to me, they were generally the popular crowd. My bestie and I ventured to Parachute, the Christian music festival at Mystery Creek one year to see what all the fuss was about, totally out of our baby goth wheelhouse…and found it was a bunch of teens behaving just as badly as you’d expect, but with the moral high ground of having religion to wash them all clean the next morning. Great read - I always wonder if time travelling like this ever really works out to be a good idea…revisiting my youthful love for Marilyn Manson today likely wouldn’t deliver the nostalgia I wish it would!
I would have attended the Creed show with you, Dave.
Me too. We are now all old enough to go to "nostalgia" concerts.
WHERE WERE YOU, SCOTT?!
I knew Creed were making a kind of nostalgia-inspired comeback along with Limp Bizkit (another late 90s early aughts fave) but I thought they were playing sad cruise ships, not stadiums. “He speaks to God?” This is nuts. I wish people would take a second to hear themselves and realise how utterly weird statements like that are. I can at least understand the appeal of the Xtian rock nostalgia - Some Kind of Zombie by Audio Adrenaline absolutely slaps, along with the other songs you listed!
I certainly never saw this coming. It's fucking bonkers, right!?
"Human Clay" sounds like someone who needs more fibre in their diet. Also suing someone for $2m for wandering offstage for 10 minutes smacks of greed and zero compassion. Sounds like these "Christians" should learn about empathy.
Yeah! That’s a lot of money to ask for and definitely not the first concert where a musician didn’t perform well. I have friends that were at that show in Chicago. While Stapp was unable to perform and off stage, the rest of the guys just jammed. Disappointing on Stapp’s part, but would have been cool to see the rest of the band just improvise and jam.
Mark Tremonti (guitarist and co-songwriter) does not identify as Christian and politically leans left. One of his other bands, the great Alter Bridge (3/4ths of Creed), have songs that cover topics like white flight / child poverty (Wayward One), climate change (Bleed It Dry), and loss of faith (Words Darker Than Their Wings). Even a few anti-Trump songs (see: Pay No Mind, Silver Tongue).
As much nostalgia as I have for Creed, and it's a lot, I prefer Alter Bridge. And Mark released an actual Sinatra cover album for charity in honor of his daughter with down syndrome - where he sings and sings spectacularly. It features that last version of Sinatra's actual touring band. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FroQm-63RI
Also, I wore a Karl Marx shirt to the first show of this tour in an extremely red area of Wisconsin and survived. It was touch and go, but I made it.
Never tried Alter Bridge - but over the weekend, I will. Thank you!
Open Your Eyes and Broken Wings on the first record were sort of the sonic gateway from Creed. But they've carved out their own identity. Weirdly much bigger in the UK than the US. They have a Royal Albert Hall w/ orchestra concert film. The song Blackbird is their magnum opus.
David, I would love to know what you think. A lot of the first record will sound more Creed-like as Mark wrote most of the music before Creed disbanded. Blackbird and on has Myles’ input along with him contributing to guitar playing. The album Fortress is their most solid album, IMO.
Ohh and yes, the album AB III touches heavily on loss of faith. “Slip to the Void” and “All Hope is Gone” both come to mind and are absolute bangers. You mentioned “Words Darker Than Their Wings”. Which is a conversation between a non believer (Myles) and someone who has hope that we are not alone (Mark). Beautiful song.
In Green Bay? I have a friend that was there and I asked about the vibe. He didn’t remember anything in particular standing out politically. He also leans left.
Yep. I didn't feel *too* out of place but the Milwaukee area (including the suburbs) is the epitome of what makes us a swing state - it's what I grew up around so it feels normal. The city is very blue while the burbs are pretty far right in general. I've no real choice but to exist in both worlds. Green Bay is a little more conservative.
I looooove Slip To The Void and Words Darker Than Their Wings! AB is the band I've seen the most (7 times) followed by Tool at 6 (I know they were / are important to David as well). And 5 Creed shows going back to 2000.
Apologies for going on and on but Mark has clearly been a very important figure in my life lmao.
Haha that’s ok! They are one of my favorite bands and I have been following them since before they announced that Myles was the singer. My first show of theirs was Milwaukee 2004 and my last show was Milwaukee 2023. I am unsure on how many times I have seen them as I have lost count. 🤣 I’m sure we have been to some of the same ones!
I miss the earlier days when the guys would just hang out after the shows. They are genuinely nice people.
I live up in GB now but am originally from Oshkosh. Politics has always been neutral but leaning conservative up in the Fox Cities area. It used to not be so bad, but has gotten more hostile within the last 10 years. Luckily I have a good group of like minded friends to keep me sane.
Same! October 2004 at The Rave and last August!
I fucking loved this article, David. I’m of an age with you, and so Creed were a staple of my high school years in Australia - though I never really dived into the lyrics and only knew them as a Christian band by reputation.
I didn’t keep track of them when they fell off the planet in the early 2000s. I was too obsessed with Tool and Audioslave to care about anything else. So I read your update with an increasingly startled expression, then realized it only confirms a truism that I’ve known for a long time: there’s an aggravating consistency with which the most self-righteous, morally grandstanding pricks will secretly do things like gangbangs with Kid Rock.
Oh yes - Audioslave and Tool were some of my best gigs and moments of being SO, SO passionate about music. A sweet spot at a sweet age.
Omfg! Fascinating. I do not think this kind of rally/music/god fearing stuff is healthy for humanity or the planet. I feel like this kind of nostalgia is dangerous. Life is beautiful, it should be imho, and about evolution. I do not see that here, some might say I’m ‘blind’, esp folk who subscribe to the kind of rubbish spoken by these kind of evangelicals, who seem to be driven by fear?
Just for the record, I grew up in a Christian whanau, Methodist, left when I was around 16/17 years old. Left because of the hypocrisy even in that church, around being a “homo”.
All the terrible, destructive dogma and crimes that religious institutions continue to serve up and cover up does not inspire me to want to go near any of them even for nostalgias sake David. I get why you did and I hope you continue in your work exposing the dangerous hypocrisy and money making businesses that these cults are.
I don’t know if you or your readers know of Nick Cave, musician extraordinaire, he talks about love and faith and the beauty of life these days openly and I find myself far more aligned to that way of thinking and being than this rubbish.
Aroha nui and kia kaha!
The album cover is seamless 😭😂 Closet Creed fan here - I want to go see them but honestly am not thrilled imagining what the audience will be like, especially here in Texas!
Many years ago, my friend started a petition to change the name of the film CREED so as to not disrespect the band. “The Creedmunity will not be silenced.” It became slightly viral for a hot minute due to its ridiculousness. :)
https://www.spin.com/2015/07/creed-petition-change-rocky-name-movie/
This is very, very funny. Well played.
Oh David. I'm the same age as you and this nostalgia-tinged dystopia hits hard. With all of this refreshed Creed discourse, shudders regularly course through my body. Not the good kind. I went to a Catholic high school and was on a pathway to discovering metal. Creed was a gateway. I have vague memories of performing a skit on stage in the hall, My Own Prison the chosen soundtrack. Possibly bewildered friends roped in, perhaps thinking the music was too heavy. I love your description of the performance. I want to hate Creed, but goddamn their music is catchy and everytime there's mention I'll have one of their ballads in my head, prolonging the cringe. Thank you for your service, sir.
Thanks for experiencing this so the rest of us can live vicariously! I was never a huge Creed fan, but I feel you on the Jars of Clay, Newsboys, and DC Talk (and yes I used to do the rap from Jesus Freak when we performed it at church thankyouverymuch). Wild to see the evolution of this sort of thing. The evangelical support of Trump will never make sense to me as someone who grew up in that world. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.
This was a great read! It hit so close to home with me having been a massive creed fan in my teens and watching their step by step demise. I’m glad they are back rocking. In my experience it’s not to crazy to see the trump affiliation knowing how much Creed was interlaced into WWE/WWF culture for years. Those teens who were in conservative houses watching wrestling, soaking in creed as entrance music for wrestlers and background music for commercials kept those good feels for the songs they put out and now apply those vibes to Trump. Thanks for doing what you do mate! Look forward to every Tuesday mornings drive to work listening to Flightless Bird!!
I had no idea Creed was tied into that wrestling world - fascinating. I find it amazing how closely their comeback was tied in with SPORTS, which taps into this really patriotic - and often very white and right leaning - spirit, too.
And yes - God, who in the late 90s / early 00's wasn't adjacent to Creed in some way!
Also - thanks for the Flightless Bird love. Will probably expand on this Creed stuff in a future episode there.
There's definitely a full episode to mine from Creed. I'm considering pitching a book on their story. It's fascinating with so many unexpected twists and turns. Like them literally being an indie band all the way through their commercial peak. And their place as the last American rock band to have a diamond-certified album (10 million copies shipped.)
So much nostalgia! What a great read, thank you David. But omg, the photo of the 3 ladies absolutely horrified me- why is that lady wearing jandals to a concert???!! I'm guessing there was no mosh pit, but even so... The Horror!
they look like they've pitched up and will be there till the end - maybe get up for a wee dance but not far away from their margaritas.... definitely not moshing.
I haven’t thought about Creed in like twenty years. This article really takes me higher. Thanks, David!
My stomach is turning. Christians. Guns.Misogyny. America the ugly. This side of America is ugly, scary, dangerous. No music can make this right.
You are a brave, brave man.
That was my first thought too.
"I invited a variety of friends to go with me to see Creed, and all of them refused." 😂 my core Creed-memory is of a local ski hill playing "Higher" on repeat down by the lifts. It was somewhat satisfying to bomb down that last chute to the base with a gradually intensifying oundtrack of "let's go there.. c'mon let's go there..."
I remember Creed. As a kid I'm sure my brother used to listen to them. I remember liking Petra. These days give me the real deal - Queen, Beatles, The Who etc.
I do remember when Creed seemed to be everywhere in the late 1990s (I graduated from college in 1996). As a Gen Xer, I’d discovered Soundgarden, Alice In Chains,, Nirvana, and NIN in high school (Broken broke my brain in the most beautiful way. I have been the same since).
I didn’t necessarily hate Creed, but I gravitated towards darker and harder stuff. I did know about the Christian messaging in the lyrics, which turned me off a bit (I more or less swore off organized religion as a teenager).
That being said,I enjoyed listening to what concertgoers had to say about the band in your piece. Music really does bring people together, for better or for worse. Excellent piece!
*haven’t
If I go crazy then will you still call me Superman?
No... no I won't.
You know how conservatives have some sort of narrative like "the woke left are coming for (whatever bs thing, guns, children, values, etc)"?
I kinda feel the same way about some things for my childhood. I feel like the Conservatives came and stole happy memories from me. I know it's not true, and I'm just not as naive anymore or they made their choices to support terrible people, but I feel the conservative right stole things like Creed, 3 Doors Down, Isaiah Washington, Ben Carson, Clint Eastwood, Jon Voight, ?Kanye?, etc.
Hey Mr Farrier, thanks for ruining Kryptonite for me. lolz
David, doing Gods work by going to see something sensible people would run from at speed. Isnt it odd that the music we listened to as teens absolutely matter(s) and the tribes that form around it are fundamental to our beings? My tedious example is that by around 14 I was a lapsed catholic and had discovered via peer group and their big brother's record collections Bowie and glam rock then metal (Sabbath and Zeppelin mostly) then in something that was and is fundamental to my worldview - punk rock. Sex Pistols God Save the Queen on Radio With Pictures changed my life and for the better.
Ah Scott Stapp. There was always something that told me he was not quite right in the head - a sandwich short of a lunch as they say. I suspected there was a Christian connection due to lyrics of songs like With Arms Wide Open and the name of his band. Creed were full of 90s angst but lacking the razor like sharpness of a Nirvana and could never in my mind be considered grunge.
OMG loved Creed! I had no idea they were a Christian band. Three doors down’s Kryptonite was on repeat at my house too. Thanks to David, I was having a lovely figurative walk down memory lane and then like a needle scratching across vinyl, I came into 2024 feeling like I’d been struck in the head by a blunt object. The mention of Trump makes my skin crawl. Why Christians have embraced an all round turd of a human being is beyond me. I cannot comprehend their reasoning nor their justification(s) of his behaviour. I think it’s hypocrisy on steroids. They want to order the country the way they see is moral and use whatever means available. Morals and ethics fly out the window in order to get what they want. Talk about selling your soul to the devil. I’m agnostic and have now completely messed myself up with talk of god and the devil 😆
I had no idea about that T.I story! Reminds me of that story about Werner Herzog rescuing Joaquin Phoenix from a car crash.
Such a crazy contrast!
On one hand, amazing feels from the past. So great feeling the excitement from your childhood.
On the other, coming to terms with what alot of your fellow concert goers stand for.
People watching at concerts is unreal, even in little ole NZ. You know at least you have one thing in common, which is nice to be honest. So many laughs and smiles walking out, music is good!
I used to listen to Creed and 3 doors down when I was in school.
I never noticed their disappearance or made a conscious decision to stop listening to them - it just kinda happened, probably the same story as all the original fans.
I'm sad to see what has become of bands I used to love.
Remember growing in in and Evangelical church in Scotland. I had my Nirvana tape taken away and replaced by DC Talk’s Jesus Freak CD as they were the Christian version of Nirvana 🤷🏼♂️
"...I could go into a whole history class."
*squints in history nerd*
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An essay was brewing in my head while reading this, so I had to get a quick comment in to stop myself. ^^ Enjoyed the extra audio to convey the experience even more!
Sounds like quite an experience! I also listened to a lot of Creed back in the day, no clue about their Christianness, I just like the music. I’m also still pretty obsessed with Evanescence, who are regarded as a Christian band, but they’re not. Amy Lee certainly is no Trump supporter.
Similar vibes at the Third Eye Blind show I went to in Idaho earlier this year. Not Christian/conservative because those are necessarily the fans, but because those are Idaho residents. I still had so much fun and sobbed when they played "In the Background."
Ooo, I've been listening to their self-titled album a lot recently. Still slaps!
I grew up Catholic, and for better or worse I don't think we're really the target audience for these bands. I was kind of surprised one of your interviewees specifically identified as one. I would think a devout Catholic would find the idea of a Christian rock band a bit... disrespectful?
One thing about Catholicism is that it doesn't really concern itself with being in the cultural zeitgeist anymore. There may be rock bands who are Catholic, but I don't there are any Catholoc rock bands, if that makes sense.
(Also, you're a braver man than me for attending a concert by yourself. I've pondered seeing Charli xcx by myself when she comes to LA, but I'm too much of a chicken. Very unbrat of me I know.)
Definitely more Evangelical and Pentecostal types there over Catholics... but yes, that woman was a very proud Catholic for sure!
As for solo shows... just do it! Honestly - it's like a solo movie. No one to worry about, just in your own space to do your own thing. Charlie XCX should not be missed!
Go to the concert solo. I do all the time and I love it. I get to enjoy the music on my terms. I get to stand where it suits me (I can't do the front because I get sensory overload when people press against me). I can dance. Best of all, I can leave when I want to if I am not enjoying the experience.
I think the hierarchical structure of the Church and it's extreme dedication to tradition proves a higher barrier to entry. If it ain't approved by the Pope, it ain't Catholic. There's a certain amorphousness to Evangelical Christianity where something can become Christian if enough people say it is. It's how you get stuff like the prosperity gospel or widespread Trump support, which would seem to be un-Christian on their face, and yet....
Ironically, the only time I can remember my parents citing religion as a reason I couldn't watch something was The Exorcist, which was written by the very Catholic Peter Blatty.
And gah, I just got used to going to the movies by myself, but a concert would be a huge level up. I will keep considering it though.
Go to the concert! I know it can feel extremely uncomfortable, but you wont regret going, but you could be annoyed that you didn't. I get what you mean about no Catholic rock bands - for me, the "Christian music" like this and Hillsong etc is for the evangelist "newer" generation mega church types, which were starting to come up in the 90s, I think as younger people were realising their freedom to express themselves more etc.
Amen to solo shows.
re: the show. I will keep considering it, no promises though!
What great reading this made, David! You really know how to write a compelling account - encompassing all the feelings of a 14 and a 41 year old all at once - and reminding me of my son's obsession with CREED too when he was a teenager. This tells you that you, David, could easily have been my son! My son came out of teenage rebellion and into CREED when he "gave his life to Christ" - believing he was on safer ground than playing METALLICA, LAMB OF GOD, KORN, and toning down the hard rock he himself was playing on stage wearing a gown that looked incredibly "demonic" reeking of death and destruction and the "music" though incredibly clever, sounding like someone who was gagging, about to upchuck his dinner! I made it through several of his high school concerts (just) without a headache!
The sight of those tee shirts - 1776 and praising weaponry - and hearing about the pro Trump sentiments at that show made me feel slightly ill. Give me the shirtless ones with all the TATS any day!
I felt some sense of hope at the Democratic National Convention recently but hearing those young people talking as you interviewed them at that CREED concert sent shivers down my spine again.
As usual, you have turned something I've never experienced nor even knowingly heard of, Creed, into a fascinating journey from teenage you, to the USA in the present & their transformation into being not just the "safe band" for a devout Christian, but a now also a politically "safe band" for the orange menace supporters - what a disconnect! I was just reading about a once beloved Ukrainian author (deceased) who is now (in some eyes) persona non grata because of his pro-Russian views from when he lived and wrote, which I am guessing weren't controversial at the time, but are seen in a different light now. As with Creed, the work product is the same, but the times are different?
Bloody hell!
I concur.
"Bobby, I'm sorry you got a head like a potato, I really am."
Frank Zappa and the Mothers sung to me about San Ber'dino five decades ago. During my teens. https://youtu.be/L-GyJU1PD7A
This is such a great piece. I've never (knowingly) heard a Creed song but you've drawn your childhood passion and grown-up experience so beautifully. And I may have to have a listen to see why they're so great, musically!
Sarah - you can try, but also I think there are definitely better things to listen to!
(Next time I see you full Creed tee and tats!)
I grew up in a similar upbringing and Audio Adrenaline’s Underdog is still fire. Props to you for staying for the whole show. It’s too bad everything agent orange touches turns to shit.
Guy on the recording: Whata beter rhan the American Flag??
Me, listening: SO MANY THINGS 😅😅
That sounded like it was both incredibly fascinating and painful to attend at the same time!! This just proves to me that you have the patience of a saint! I immediately wanted to scream at those 3 women through my phone 😅.
Honestly though I had no idea Scott Stapp went through all that stuff but I wasn't paying that close of attention I guess. All I remember is that the WWE at the time was always rocking Creed 😅.
Glad you got to experience the nostalgia of one of your favorite bands, even it was riddled with all of the Trumpian madness.
Man I had all the Creed cds back in the day and as a Christian in College I remember being stoked with this sort of Christian/Mainstream band that I enjoyed and my mates all listened to as well. Funny, looking back it now. Had no idea what happened to them tbh and so this was a cool webworm to read. As a kiwi it's hard to fathom America and their politics and the thinking some apply to things like gun control etc. Just a very different culture. Must be so odd at times for you I imagine, and many times where you just have to shake your head and say, "only in America" 🤣 Cheers David
"Only in America" was a Creed lyric, too. It all just flooded back (sad face): "Only in America is sexuality a democracy".
Said as in, this is a bad thing.
Weird flex, Creed.
Especially considering Stapp’s sex tape. 🤣
Loved this morning read. Uncanny timing for me, a few months ago I revisited my Creed stage and I fell in love with their music all over again, it was a mix of nostalgia and 'how did I ever stop listening to these guys'. Funny though, I only found out they were a Christian band recently when a friend mentioned it to me.. listening to them again with this new information I couldn't beleive I had never picked up on it before!!
You just brought back all of the nostalgia for me, I did jam to Creed in my middle school era, and experienced my first slow dance "too close" moment with my crush, and while he was too embarrassed to ever talk to me again, I fell in love with Creed even more...ahhh memories.
It makes you wonder why Trump keeps getting threatened with cease and desist from all of these other bands when he has Three Doors Down and Creed right at his fingertips! Nobody ever accuses Trump of being smart (except him), though.
Do you know if they’re actually supporting Trump or just keeping out of politics to ride the lucrative MAGA / Christofascist grift train? I don’t doubt they’re Christian, or “Christian” if they support the MAGA movement and its felonious rapist homicidal blaspheming god king. It’s a tight balance rope - there are plenty of folks like you who genuinely love their music and appreciate them as artists. But if the concerts are like Trump rallies full of hateful attire and fascist freaks, how many of their “normie” or real Christian (as in, actually taking the teachings of Christ serious which automatically should mean condemning anything to do with Trump) fans will be able to stomach that?
I would say, from what I have observed, they happily ride that train without being too open and overt. Like - back in the day, Scott Stapp went out of his way to say they were not a Christian band. He didn't alienate the non believers, and the Christians liked him anyway. A sweet spot. I think he does the sweet spot well.
That’s quite the feat!! Did you feel safe at the rally - I mean, concert? I guess you wouldn’t go wearing a Kamala shirt 😜
Yes - safe as. Friendly crowd. In saying that... I am a white male so fitted in perfectly.
Even if they don't specifically support Trump, I imagine they don't mind people thinking they do. Their glory days are long gone, and they probably don't want to potentially piss off an older and more conservative fan base. Easier to let people reach their own conclusions.
I grew up the same way too - except I didn't leave the faith til I was 33. I don't recall being super into Creed, but definitely DC Talk and the Newsboys...I don't think it would occur to me to want to see any of them now. Deconversion was way too painful for me (probably because I was older). It is interesting to see these wildly different folks converging for an event like that...but I'll probably stick to my punk rock shows :P
It's a *super* unusual think experience to dive back into music when you have such a different outlook on life. Music is like time travel, so you're taken back into the brain of that younger self - and with this kind of loaded music, it can be a lot!
It’s so visceral
Christian or not, I could never get into Creed; I thought they were simply awful. I loved a bunch of other Christian bands, though. The Newsboys were great back in the day and I am literally seeing Five Iron Frenzy for the first time in more than 20 years..........in less than two weeks!
I'm kind of jealous, tbh; even though I don't like Creed or Trump, I would have loved to go to the show. It looks like it was fun, even if it was kind of cheesy. I'm used to feeling out of place politically so it wouldn't have bothered me much. Also, I just love liv music and talking to random people at shows.
BTW, your photos look really nice. Were they just taken with your phone? I don't have a smartphone so I use an old dslr camera that is 20+ years old and your photos look way better than mine!
Yes - just taken on an iPhone, but I guess in really good late afternoon light. Sun there, but hazier and lots of dust in the air to refract things a little.
From what you have said - this would have been *incredibly* your shit.
Also good to meet a fellow Newsboys fan. Ha!
I actually hate the current iteration of the Newsboys, btw. They suck just as much as all the other contemporary Christian music my mom likes. Give me Peter Furler & Phil Joel, please! Those two were magic together. And actually, I really liked Phil Joel's first solo album, too. God Is Watching Over You is a banger.
I'm no professional; no real fancy equipment or anything & I enjoy sharing my photos for free. If you ever need an unprofessional photographer, let me know. I'll do anything but I like concerts and weird stuff the best.
https://www.instagram.com/bigsamthompson/
I do not like Creed. I disliked a lot of music of my youth, some I simply couldn't enjoy knowing all the idiots in my class listened to it too. I've gotten over a bit of that but I will never like Creed. We only got cable in the early 90s, I graduated High School in '95, and what I recall of the later part of it (after being killed by summers of The Eagles and Eric Clapton, yeeeeeeutch) was ads at all times of day on all sorts of channel for the Creed cd. Even then I thought that having a supposedly edgy band hawking their cds by way of short infomercial advertising was sketchy and didn't bode well for them. Now I get it. All those poor Christian kids in the American sticks could see this, buy something cool by mail or telephone, and praise the lord, no parent would worry about heads being bitten off fowl on stage. And Seattle born me...grunge bands wouldn't eat Creed if they were reenacting the Donner party.
Oof. I listened to Creed, 3 Doors Down and Staind in my early 20s, and they were definitely a soundtrack in my life around 9/11. I cringe now when I hear their music, and I couldn't figure out why I was cringing, but you hit the nail on the head - they have become poster children for the far right, just as Christianity has become the religion of the far right. They tap into that same jingoistic mindset that was so prevalent in the wake of 9/11, and I'm particularly reminded of that today - the idea thath America is the savior of the world, that we are the only true democracy (ha!), that Americans (and specifically white, straight, cis Christian Americans) are God's chosen. I don't feel safe in my own country anymore. I have fewer rights now than I did when I was born, and Trump and his cronies want to make sure that people like me have NO rights, that we cease to exist. That Creed is now the soundtrack to that side of America (and maybe they always were and I just didn't realize it 20-odd years ago) is chilling.
This is a very specific comment, but I’m just so excited about the convergence of so many of my favorite things in one place!!
The “One Last Breath” remix David links to comes from a DJ sibling duo called Tinzo+Jojo / Book Club Radio. This remix was my intro to them, and now their house mixes are my go to workday playlist. Check them out if you’re looking for some new flow music!
*emerges groggily from under rock* Wow I hadn't realized Stapp and Creed were having the comeback of the nu-century, whoa! Creed, Alter Bridge and 3dd made up a big chunk of my winamp list. I didn't buy Human Clay but My Own Prison was a quick buy and everyone had their own actual copies, like no pirates. No idea they were Christian bands at first, same with Disturbed, but TIL that 3dd is too. Wow!
Thanks so much for sharing this incredible experience David, what with the all the conflicting thoughts and emotions. Talk about a rollercoaster.
Okay back I go to my safe cozy rock.
Ah you are talking about me here! DC Talk was the best! And I loved Creed and still love their songs even though I'm no longer Christian.
I had no idea the lead singer went through all that, yikes 40 feet fall - he is lucky to be alive!
TIL Scott Stapp has a sex tape with Kid Rock. 🤯
I honestly forgot how many Creed songs were religious because they were such bangers back in the day. Now they’re usually referred to as “butt rock” or “divorced dad rock” alongside Nickelback, Three Doors Down, Three Days Grace, etc.
They had a “divorced dad rock” tee at the merch stand (not sure for what band!)
As for the sex tape - what an era that was.
I am really glad he got clean - it was awful seeing how far he sunk, really rough stuff - and it was cool seeing him back to what appeared to be very full health / better than ever?
I felt invested in it!
I'm sorry, but Creed is so cornball. I've never been able to take them seriously.
Oh, they are very, very cornball. That is not up for debate!
I just went down a Wikipedia rabbit hole (thanks) and his sister in law was a security advisor for the trump campaign……
Oh, there's a fun link! It's strange - he never came out in the early days and said they were a Christian band - he actually said the opposite. He always seems very good at being one step removed from *the thing*.
I saw Scott Stapp in 2016 on the Wild Turkey Stage at the grand opening of Motor City Harley Davidson, which must have been close to the nadir of his tribulations. Wild to see him reborn as a MAGA avatar.
Oh, what an amazing time that was. In the slump, right? Lordy.
This is a fantastic piece of writing. I’m a bit older than you and I was in my early 20’s when Creed got big. I picked up my first cd, My Own Prison, in Whistler, BC on a ski vacation and wore it out. I’ve always known they were a Christian band, even when Stapp was adamant they weren’t. I mean, have you read their lyrics? I actually still really like their music. I also like Nickelback and I’m not afraid to admit it. Their stuff is catchy and cringy at the same time.
Growing up in Minneapolis and Seattle, Husker Dü, Prince, Soul Asylum, Alice In Chains, Pearl Jam, and Soundgarden were my favorites. I’ve seen Soundgarden 3 times live (once when I was 8 months pregnant). I still love my early 90’s music.
I noticed no one mentioned Stryper. They were my introduction to Christian rock. “To Hell With the Devil” is the most epic song for how bad it is to me now, but oh how I loved it back in the 80’s.
Soundgarden is - the one for me. Entirely different category.
As for My Own Prison being your first CD - amazing. I have never heard of Stryper (will probably stay away, I have OD'd on this stuff the last few weeks!)
From Wiki - gosh, yes, very Christian:
"The name "Stryper" derives from the King James Version of the Bible. "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."
For me, although I’ve only seen them live once, Alice In Chains with Layne Staley is what I go to for all moods. Unplugged is my desert island album.
I just saw that King and Country have a song using that Stryper song I mentioned, so they’re getting newer life. The original is kinda horrible. Please, don’t go there.
The like/loathe of the religious youth!