As an exJW, it's good to see the details of that Splane talk getting coverage outside of the exJW community. Thanks for highlighting this, it's a dangerous high control cult.
I find it interesting that the few people I know that are religious (mostly Catholic) all subscribe to the Qanon #savethechildren conspiracy of Hollywood elites trafficking children yet won’t believe, despite enormous amounts of evidence, that their own religious institutions are responsible for the sexual abuse and cover up of crimes against children. It really blows me away. One acquaintance who works for a Catholic healthcare provider complains that she shouldn’t have to use a QR code’s to sign in “because paedophiles aren’t required to, they have more rights than us!” Meanwhile her children are alter boys in an institution well known for letting paedophilic behaviour run wild. Mind boggling.
Wow. I had no idea. I feel deeply sad for children born into this. Intense doesn't quite cover it. The thought that a child as young as 10 years old can be pushed out of their group is absolutely appalling. I cant even begin to comprehend the level of trauma and abuse these kids are being exposed to, without access to any support or help after they have been molested by such septic trolls of society. It seems like if they do speak up they then run the risk of being ostracised by their peers?
It's hard to deny the correlation between all the various religious groups run by old white men and the endless stories of child abuse and sexual assault that kids in these religions experience. Recently in France alone the Catholic church was, once again, under fire for its disturbing level of abuse. "Presented before an audience including several Catholic leaders sitting in shamed silence, it estimated that at least 3,000 priests — around three percent of the country’s total — had preyed on minors and about 216,000 children had been abused. Another 114,000 were abused by lay Church workers." 330,000 kids!!!!
Who in their right mind is going to deny that these organisations, as small and cult like as JWs or as large scale as the catholic church, do more damage than good? They really seem to have some deep rooted and disturbing issues that surely may well be related to the limiting lifestyle and level of shaming and control that is inflicted on members? I'm so sad and angry for the lack of protection these children live with, the intense brainwashing they face, and Im concerned at why we have situations so frequently like this that our children need protection from? And they have they have such a level of power they don't even need to answer anything directly or take any fucking responsibility. Atrocious.
Grew up with some JWs they were, with the exceptions of no birthdays/xmas/sex ed, remarkably ordinary. We had the odd conversation about Saturnalia, Romans and Jesus dying on a torture stake not a cross which I found fascinating as it was so weird to 12 yr old me. They were bright, funny, energetic and good company. Until they reached 16. I don't know what happened but it was some kind of becoming a full member thing, they could participate in ministry, door knocking etc. They became lobotomised, their colours and senses dulled. Their light extinguished. I was extremely sad about it, it was as though they had died.
So, reading this bought no surprises. It is a cult, one which seems able to hide its atrocities and turn up at your door, or post a handwritten letter pretending to be about God. I hope lights continue to shine into the hidden corners of JW for the sake of all those hurt within and without the organisation.
I have a lot of members of my family involved in this 'church' - it is pretty toxic to non-church members but also far MORE toxic to members who have been baptised and who do something outside of their terms of reference. My younger cousin was disfellowshipped at the age of 18 for sleeping with a girl in the congregation - I don't think the girl was treated as harshly, but young Michael was shunned. Yes, by his own family except for the two brothers and one sister who were not baptised in the faith and could therefore speak to him. The shame and sense of isolation from the Church and his parents was so awful, though, that he begged forgiveness and was 'allowed' back into the fray after months of desperate misery where he has since gone on to marry (a good Witness of course who is a bully and has effectively isolated him from the rest of his non baptised family) and become an Elderin the Church. I can only thank the lawd (sorry for the sarcy pun) that the other 3 avoided the baptism and found lives of their own outside of the congregation. They pretty much hate the congregation. I have no time for the JW's - mainly due of their propensity to isolate my family members from the rest of us who are not Witnesses and the damage that I have seen this do to my younger cousins when their Mum was dying of cancer. They were not able to spend ANY time alone with her, and there was always a Witness on guard. At one point, their father (a Senior Elder in the congregation) told his grandson he could not see his dying grandmother because the 'congregation' were there to see her - after he had driven an hour after work to spend time with her (and - no doubt - her 'guard'). It was tragic and sad - and I watched the oldest brother fight his father and the church to ensure his mother's dying wishes and preference for a service outside of the JW church ( so that non members could attend) were honoured, all while mourning and grieving his Mum and doing his best to referee between the cousin still IN the church and those not in the church. It was a hideous and awful, sad time for them all - and I will never forgive them for what they put my cousins through. But sexual abuse? Yes, well - hate to say it but it is highly likely because ANYWHERE you find an organisation (religion, business, government etc) where men (usually white men) are in charge of all, including women and children - well you are also going to find circumstances of sexual abuse and assault on young children - and women - generally. Paedophile men are strongly attracted to these organisations for obvious reasons i.e. opportunity. I work in an area which provides support for SA victims, and I can assure you - the common denominator here is men. As much as I would like to hurl all responsibility at the JW's because they appear to be becoming more cultish as time goes on, and more exclusive - I have to say that they are just an 'opportunity' waiting to happen for sicko blokes out there. As is the priesthood, Australian parliament, evangelical churches, etc etc etc..... :-(
First and most importantly: Thank you, Writer, for your courage in sharing something so deeply personal and probably traumatic with a large audience. Talk about cults isn't only fascinating (I mean, it IS that), but it's important to talk about this stuff because how else are we going to crush it other than by exposing the truth — which is precisely what these groups don't want.
As it happens, I have an aunt who is JW. But it was never really acknowledged as I was growing up, as most of our large family was Catholic at that time. I know she did the doorknocking thing and even took my cousins with her when they were children. However, she is married to my uncle who the most devout Catholic in our family to this day. Like my grandfather, I doubt that my uncle has ever missed a mass. And the really weird thing is that my JW aunt allowed my uncle to raise the kids Catholic. They both went through the sacraments. So your article does have me wondering how accepted my aunt was by her community. You don't address marriage and children specifically here, but I would think they prefer their members to keep it all in the family, so to speak.
Despite being a fairly close family, the Jehovah's stuff, as I said was really not acknowledged. I knew she avoided certain parts of holiday celebrations — even secular ones! During our family's (very large, very dangerous, and very illegal) annual 4th of July fireworks display, she would stay in the house. I believe that the only reason that my cousins were permitted to celebrate their own birthdays growing up was due to my uncle's influence (even then, I actually don't recall either of the kids ever having a birthday party). So essentially, we just knew that our aunt followed some different rules from the rest of us, and that was that.
Curiously, it seems that JWs DO acknowledge certain religious...occasions, let's say. Back around Easter, I received a very creepy mailer inviting me to a JW Good Friday service. Now as anyone raised Christian knows, Good Friday is not a celebratory occasion. It is a day of reverence marking the day that Jesus was crucified. So perhaps that's why it's permitted by the JW organization. At first, I thought I'd received a chic tract, the equally creepy Evangelical pamphlets. I've linked below photos of exactly what I received.
If you take a look, you'll notice that NOWHERE does either document acknowledge that this came from the Jehovah's Witnesses. It took reading that letter a couple of times and some inference on my part to figure it out.
You may also notice that I did not black out the name of the family this letter was addressed to: That's because *that's not me.* It also isn't the former resident of my home, who lived here for at least a decade. In other words, the "Grubensteins" do not exist. They made them up and then addressed the envelope by hand to make it appear more authentic. Talk about fucking creepy.
This article really brought to mind the same essential principles that guide Scientology, polygamist groups, and Catholicism. All three of them 1) discourage independent thought, 2) involve rampant but carefully hidden sexual abuse:
I'm not going to touch Scientology because people far more knowledgeable than I have covered it quite comprehensively, including David.
As for Catholicism, the best example I can give you here is that, although I attended a Catholic school for 3 years and then went to Sunday school until age 13, I know virtually nothing about the Bible. This is because the archdiocese does not want you to learn the book itself; rather, they want you to learn *their interpretations* of the Bible, which is where that oft-discussed Catholic guilt comes in. They deliberately push that onto you. I've been a proud atheist for at least 15 years, and yet the guilt lingers in many ways. Plus, of course, they somehow convinced us that we were consuming actual flesh and blood at Communion. You may have thought this to be symbolic. It's not, friends:
As for polygamy, you're now thinking of Warren Jeffs and the Fundamentalist Church of Latter Day Saints (FLDS). Yes, they are heinous and terrifying, but tbh, Jeffs has warped it so far beyond the original principles by which this group lived for generations, that we're practically talking apples and oranges.
But there's another group, also mostly Utah-based, and they call themselves The Order, or the Latter Day Church of Christ, or the Kingston Group. If you've watched the reality series Escaping Polygamy, you know exactly what I'm talking about.
They are vile, and they are powerful. They own the town bank. They have buckets of millions wrapped up in various businesses, largely in illegal ways. Some of the business leaders were found guilty of business-y things which I don't understand. Anyway they fascinate me, and if you wanna learn more, here's a link, and Escaping Polygamy is pretty revealing as well.
Thank you for writing about this organisation, I have a large amount of family members who are part of it, in the top of the South Island, its very big in Blenheim. One of my cousins left the church many years ago and was isolated by them. It resulted in her taking her own life to our great shock. They then proceeded to have a farce of a funeral, where the only person allowed to speak was the JH leader and he talked for over an hour about how she was some sort of outcast due to committing suicide. They had a term for it, that I cannot recall, but it made my blood boil. None of her family was allowed to speak. He essentially spent an hour dissing her. Many of my cousins have made it out over the years, but they nearly always go back into it, because they cannot deal with losing their family.
When I was at high school, JW’s door knocked my then girlfriends house. She being a nice person invited them in and they proceeded to put the fear of God into her and only left when it became obvious she wouldn’t stop crying. She was inconsolable for days. I remember reading the pamphlets they left and being like lol wut this is bat shit.
The Black Books reference about inviting in a JW inside reminds me of an atheist friend I knew when I was at university. A lone JW door-knocked him once, offering the usual Watchtower literature.
My friend told him he was an atheist and knew that he was a JW and that he was welcome to come inside for a chat on the condition that they didn't talk about Jesus.
To his surprise, the JW accepted and even followed the rules. So he gave him a glass of orange juice and they talked about computers for a bit. And then the JW left.
What was somewhat strange is that this same JW used to came back every month or so, have his orange juice and a chat and then leave. People used to tease my friend about his 'tame JW'.
It just seemed that most people didn't invite him in and he didn't much like doing it so sitting down for a chat and a juice was a nice break from all the door-knocking he was expected to do. He was also clearly quite fascinated by computers but it wasn't something he could or was allowed to pursue.
After a year or so, he stopped coming around. In that time, my atheist friend grew to feel quite fond of him, just that he seemed a bit lost and it was all rather sad really.
It boggles my mind how religion - any religion - is a thing. It's all so absolutely bat-shit crazy that the only way it has survived is via the brainwashing of kids from birth.
Definitely seems to stack up as a cult. I find it very Interesting how all religions are constructed with the same components, policies, criteria and criminal behaviour, albeit at varying degrees.
Always disturbing to see that they are run exclusively by old men. I guess that is a start to the reason why they all have a problem with child abuse amongst their devotees.
Do these old colourless men dream up a religion and dogma because they are whimpy failed corporate climbers or politicians and need something to control to prop up their flawed egos?
Or maybe running a religion is just seen as a good way to hide and get away with their serious criminal offending?
I had a good JW friend growing up, who obviously stopped being my friend around 15-16. I remember asking her about knocking on people’s doors and she admitted she really didn’t like it, but compared it to sunday school but for adults. This made no sense to me since church is sunday school for adults (I grew up catholic and not rich, so us kids had CCD on sundays until confirmation, so i’m also no expert on “sunday school”, which is apparently a mostly protestant thing and maybe more community oriented).
Also i miss the giant glowing WATCHTOWER sign in brooklyn heights. Nothing says “Legitimate Religion” like a giant neon sign with the name of your propaganda magazine.
Jehova Witnesses own some of the most expensive real estate in the world. In NYC alone, they own a cluster of buildings in a pricey Brooklyn neighborhood. They target people by their nationalities, for example, they send out Spanish speaking Witnesses to ring the apartment buzzers of tenants with Spanish names. They’ve rung my bell only to be shit out of luck since I speak no Spanish. They recruited my cousins wife back in the 90’s and it caused her to pull away from our family. My cousins mother didn’t get to see her grandchildren that much, even after she got cancer. I think this hastened her death and I truly loathe these people from the bottom of my cold, dead heart.
That murmuring video is insane. This is certainly not a compliment, but that guy has really mastered how to talk down to infants. And as a grown woman who lives in a society, I have extensive experience in being infantilized so I should know!
As an exJW, it's good to see the details of that Splane talk getting coverage outside of the exJW community. Thanks for highlighting this, it's a dangerous high control cult.
I find it interesting that the few people I know that are religious (mostly Catholic) all subscribe to the Qanon #savethechildren conspiracy of Hollywood elites trafficking children yet won’t believe, despite enormous amounts of evidence, that their own religious institutions are responsible for the sexual abuse and cover up of crimes against children. It really blows me away. One acquaintance who works for a Catholic healthcare provider complains that she shouldn’t have to use a QR code’s to sign in “because paedophiles aren’t required to, they have more rights than us!” Meanwhile her children are alter boys in an institution well known for letting paedophilic behaviour run wild. Mind boggling.
Wow. I had no idea. I feel deeply sad for children born into this. Intense doesn't quite cover it. The thought that a child as young as 10 years old can be pushed out of their group is absolutely appalling. I cant even begin to comprehend the level of trauma and abuse these kids are being exposed to, without access to any support or help after they have been molested by such septic trolls of society. It seems like if they do speak up they then run the risk of being ostracised by their peers?
It's hard to deny the correlation between all the various religious groups run by old white men and the endless stories of child abuse and sexual assault that kids in these religions experience. Recently in France alone the Catholic church was, once again, under fire for its disturbing level of abuse. "Presented before an audience including several Catholic leaders sitting in shamed silence, it estimated that at least 3,000 priests — around three percent of the country’s total — had preyed on minors and about 216,000 children had been abused. Another 114,000 were abused by lay Church workers." 330,000 kids!!!!
Who in their right mind is going to deny that these organisations, as small and cult like as JWs or as large scale as the catholic church, do more damage than good? They really seem to have some deep rooted and disturbing issues that surely may well be related to the limiting lifestyle and level of shaming and control that is inflicted on members? I'm so sad and angry for the lack of protection these children live with, the intense brainwashing they face, and Im concerned at why we have situations so frequently like this that our children need protection from? And they have they have such a level of power they don't even need to answer anything directly or take any fucking responsibility. Atrocious.
Grew up with some JWs they were, with the exceptions of no birthdays/xmas/sex ed, remarkably ordinary. We had the odd conversation about Saturnalia, Romans and Jesus dying on a torture stake not a cross which I found fascinating as it was so weird to 12 yr old me. They were bright, funny, energetic and good company. Until they reached 16. I don't know what happened but it was some kind of becoming a full member thing, they could participate in ministry, door knocking etc. They became lobotomised, their colours and senses dulled. Their light extinguished. I was extremely sad about it, it was as though they had died.
So, reading this bought no surprises. It is a cult, one which seems able to hide its atrocities and turn up at your door, or post a handwritten letter pretending to be about God. I hope lights continue to shine into the hidden corners of JW for the sake of all those hurt within and without the organisation.
I have a lot of members of my family involved in this 'church' - it is pretty toxic to non-church members but also far MORE toxic to members who have been baptised and who do something outside of their terms of reference. My younger cousin was disfellowshipped at the age of 18 for sleeping with a girl in the congregation - I don't think the girl was treated as harshly, but young Michael was shunned. Yes, by his own family except for the two brothers and one sister who were not baptised in the faith and could therefore speak to him. The shame and sense of isolation from the Church and his parents was so awful, though, that he begged forgiveness and was 'allowed' back into the fray after months of desperate misery where he has since gone on to marry (a good Witness of course who is a bully and has effectively isolated him from the rest of his non baptised family) and become an Elderin the Church. I can only thank the lawd (sorry for the sarcy pun) that the other 3 avoided the baptism and found lives of their own outside of the congregation. They pretty much hate the congregation. I have no time for the JW's - mainly due of their propensity to isolate my family members from the rest of us who are not Witnesses and the damage that I have seen this do to my younger cousins when their Mum was dying of cancer. They were not able to spend ANY time alone with her, and there was always a Witness on guard. At one point, their father (a Senior Elder in the congregation) told his grandson he could not see his dying grandmother because the 'congregation' were there to see her - after he had driven an hour after work to spend time with her (and - no doubt - her 'guard'). It was tragic and sad - and I watched the oldest brother fight his father and the church to ensure his mother's dying wishes and preference for a service outside of the JW church ( so that non members could attend) were honoured, all while mourning and grieving his Mum and doing his best to referee between the cousin still IN the church and those not in the church. It was a hideous and awful, sad time for them all - and I will never forgive them for what they put my cousins through. But sexual abuse? Yes, well - hate to say it but it is highly likely because ANYWHERE you find an organisation (religion, business, government etc) where men (usually white men) are in charge of all, including women and children - well you are also going to find circumstances of sexual abuse and assault on young children - and women - generally. Paedophile men are strongly attracted to these organisations for obvious reasons i.e. opportunity. I work in an area which provides support for SA victims, and I can assure you - the common denominator here is men. As much as I would like to hurl all responsibility at the JW's because they appear to be becoming more cultish as time goes on, and more exclusive - I have to say that they are just an 'opportunity' waiting to happen for sicko blokes out there. As is the priesthood, Australian parliament, evangelical churches, etc etc etc..... :-(
First and most importantly: Thank you, Writer, for your courage in sharing something so deeply personal and probably traumatic with a large audience. Talk about cults isn't only fascinating (I mean, it IS that), but it's important to talk about this stuff because how else are we going to crush it other than by exposing the truth — which is precisely what these groups don't want.
As it happens, I have an aunt who is JW. But it was never really acknowledged as I was growing up, as most of our large family was Catholic at that time. I know she did the doorknocking thing and even took my cousins with her when they were children. However, she is married to my uncle who the most devout Catholic in our family to this day. Like my grandfather, I doubt that my uncle has ever missed a mass. And the really weird thing is that my JW aunt allowed my uncle to raise the kids Catholic. They both went through the sacraments. So your article does have me wondering how accepted my aunt was by her community. You don't address marriage and children specifically here, but I would think they prefer their members to keep it all in the family, so to speak.
Despite being a fairly close family, the Jehovah's stuff, as I said was really not acknowledged. I knew she avoided certain parts of holiday celebrations — even secular ones! During our family's (very large, very dangerous, and very illegal) annual 4th of July fireworks display, she would stay in the house. I believe that the only reason that my cousins were permitted to celebrate their own birthdays growing up was due to my uncle's influence (even then, I actually don't recall either of the kids ever having a birthday party). So essentially, we just knew that our aunt followed some different rules from the rest of us, and that was that.
Curiously, it seems that JWs DO acknowledge certain religious...occasions, let's say. Back around Easter, I received a very creepy mailer inviting me to a JW Good Friday service. Now as anyone raised Christian knows, Good Friday is not a celebratory occasion. It is a day of reverence marking the day that Jesus was crucified. So perhaps that's why it's permitted by the JW organization. At first, I thought I'd received a chic tract, the equally creepy Evangelical pamphlets. I've linked below photos of exactly what I received.
If you take a look, you'll notice that NOWHERE does either document acknowledge that this came from the Jehovah's Witnesses. It took reading that letter a couple of times and some inference on my part to figure it out.
You may also notice that I did not black out the name of the family this letter was addressed to: That's because *that's not me.* It also isn't the former resident of my home, who lived here for at least a decade. In other words, the "Grubensteins" do not exist. They made them up and then addressed the envelope by hand to make it appear more authentic. Talk about fucking creepy.
Here are photos of the mailer: https://i.imgur.com/0ki39HL.png
https://i.imgur.com/Gi7QBHZ.png
This article really brought to mind the same essential principles that guide Scientology, polygamist groups, and Catholicism. All three of them 1) discourage independent thought, 2) involve rampant but carefully hidden sexual abuse:
I'm not going to touch Scientology because people far more knowledgeable than I have covered it quite comprehensively, including David.
As for Catholicism, the best example I can give you here is that, although I attended a Catholic school for 3 years and then went to Sunday school until age 13, I know virtually nothing about the Bible. This is because the archdiocese does not want you to learn the book itself; rather, they want you to learn *their interpretations* of the Bible, which is where that oft-discussed Catholic guilt comes in. They deliberately push that onto you. I've been a proud atheist for at least 15 years, and yet the guilt lingers in many ways. Plus, of course, they somehow convinced us that we were consuming actual flesh and blood at Communion. You may have thought this to be symbolic. It's not, friends:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation
As for polygamy, you're now thinking of Warren Jeffs and the Fundamentalist Church of Latter Day Saints (FLDS). Yes, they are heinous and terrifying, but tbh, Jeffs has warped it so far beyond the original principles by which this group lived for generations, that we're practically talking apples and oranges.
But there's another group, also mostly Utah-based, and they call themselves The Order, or the Latter Day Church of Christ, or the Kingston Group. If you've watched the reality series Escaping Polygamy, you know exactly what I'm talking about.
They are vile, and they are powerful. They own the town bank. They have buckets of millions wrapped up in various businesses, largely in illegal ways. Some of the business leaders were found guilty of business-y things which I don't understand. Anyway they fascinate me, and if you wanna learn more, here's a link, and Escaping Polygamy is pretty revealing as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latter_Day_Church_of_Christ
Sorry this was so long!! It just happens to be a rather personal and fascinating topic which I happen to know too much about.
Thank you for writing about this organisation, I have a large amount of family members who are part of it, in the top of the South Island, its very big in Blenheim. One of my cousins left the church many years ago and was isolated by them. It resulted in her taking her own life to our great shock. They then proceeded to have a farce of a funeral, where the only person allowed to speak was the JH leader and he talked for over an hour about how she was some sort of outcast due to committing suicide. They had a term for it, that I cannot recall, but it made my blood boil. None of her family was allowed to speak. He essentially spent an hour dissing her. Many of my cousins have made it out over the years, but they nearly always go back into it, because they cannot deal with losing their family.
This J(J)W does not endorse those JWs.
When I was at high school, JW’s door knocked my then girlfriends house. She being a nice person invited them in and they proceeded to put the fear of God into her and only left when it became obvious she wouldn’t stop crying. She was inconsolable for days. I remember reading the pamphlets they left and being like lol wut this is bat shit.
The Black Books reference about inviting in a JW inside reminds me of an atheist friend I knew when I was at university. A lone JW door-knocked him once, offering the usual Watchtower literature.
My friend told him he was an atheist and knew that he was a JW and that he was welcome to come inside for a chat on the condition that they didn't talk about Jesus.
To his surprise, the JW accepted and even followed the rules. So he gave him a glass of orange juice and they talked about computers for a bit. And then the JW left.
What was somewhat strange is that this same JW used to came back every month or so, have his orange juice and a chat and then leave. People used to tease my friend about his 'tame JW'.
It just seemed that most people didn't invite him in and he didn't much like doing it so sitting down for a chat and a juice was a nice break from all the door-knocking he was expected to do. He was also clearly quite fascinated by computers but it wasn't something he could or was allowed to pursue.
After a year or so, he stopped coming around. In that time, my atheist friend grew to feel quite fond of him, just that he seemed a bit lost and it was all rather sad really.
It boggles my mind how religion - any religion - is a thing. It's all so absolutely bat-shit crazy that the only way it has survived is via the brainwashing of kids from birth.
Definitely seems to stack up as a cult. I find it very Interesting how all religions are constructed with the same components, policies, criteria and criminal behaviour, albeit at varying degrees.
Always disturbing to see that they are run exclusively by old men. I guess that is a start to the reason why they all have a problem with child abuse amongst their devotees.
Do these old colourless men dream up a religion and dogma because they are whimpy failed corporate climbers or politicians and need something to control to prop up their flawed egos?
Or maybe running a religion is just seen as a good way to hide and get away with their serious criminal offending?
I had a good JW friend growing up, who obviously stopped being my friend around 15-16. I remember asking her about knocking on people’s doors and she admitted she really didn’t like it, but compared it to sunday school but for adults. This made no sense to me since church is sunday school for adults (I grew up catholic and not rich, so us kids had CCD on sundays until confirmation, so i’m also no expert on “sunday school”, which is apparently a mostly protestant thing and maybe more community oriented).
Also i miss the giant glowing WATCHTOWER sign in brooklyn heights. Nothing says “Legitimate Religion” like a giant neon sign with the name of your propaganda magazine.
Jehova Witnesses own some of the most expensive real estate in the world. In NYC alone, they own a cluster of buildings in a pricey Brooklyn neighborhood. They target people by their nationalities, for example, they send out Spanish speaking Witnesses to ring the apartment buzzers of tenants with Spanish names. They’ve rung my bell only to be shit out of luck since I speak no Spanish. They recruited my cousins wife back in the 90’s and it caused her to pull away from our family. My cousins mother didn’t get to see her grandchildren that much, even after she got cancer. I think this hastened her death and I truly loathe these people from the bottom of my cold, dead heart.
That murmuring video is insane. This is certainly not a compliment, but that guy has really mastered how to talk down to infants. And as a grown woman who lives in a society, I have extensive experience in being infantilized so I should know!
As with your post about the strange threads some folk pull out of their bodies, I have just one word to say about this one too - "yikes!"
Heard alot about JWs on Leah Reminis podcast about Scientolgy. She and Mike Rinder have spoken to a couple of ex- JWs
Fascinating how close both cults are in practice.
Barbara