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This is way too big a topic to cover in one feature, so partly out of necessity and partly out of the inescapable sense that I was going to bore some of you to death, I tried to keep it relatively narrowly focused on critiquing our current retributive, often violent systems of punishment.

But this article probably raises a bunch of questions I thought I’d try to talk a little about here if people are interested. The first, and easily most sympathetic retort to its central point is some version of “what about victims who want their abusers to be punished? What are their rights?”.

When I put this to prisoner advocates like Emilie and Awatea, both of whom have been victimised themselves in different ways, they point out not all victims feel the same way. Some would prefer a restorative process. Often those people aren't heard in this debate. I personally think of the queer community's response to the vandalism of the rainbow crossing in Karangahape Rd in Auckland. They asked for a restorative process. How often do those responses make headlines? Do we do enough to honour the wishes victims who don’t want retribution? Second, victims’ feelings can change. In the words of Awatea, one day you might feel like you just want someone to get the death penalty. Another you might want healing.

My personal feeling, as someone who hasn’t been victimised in any major criminal way, is that I wouldn’t want to negate and invalidate victims who want to see the people who hurt them get hurt in return. In my heart of hearts I think if someone hurt my family, I could likely want revenge too. But, and this is a big but, there would already be limits on that desire set by society. I couldn't torture someone. I couldn’t kill or maim them. To some extent, the justice system has to take a step back from those immediate feelings and ask what’s best for the whole of society.

So without saying wanting revenge is wrong or evil, I think by necessity we need to zoom out and ask “what kind of system produces the least possible pain and the most possible long-term good”. We know people who have committed crimes are also the most likely to be victimised by crime themselves. There's a cycle of violence in motion here. The only way out is to break some links in the chain and grant people dignity and possibility. The evidence we have suggests that a rehabilitative process like in Te Kōti o Timatanga Hou is far more likely to achieve real change.

The second, related, objection is that some people are violent and unpredictable and allowing them freedom is dangerous for wider society because it could result in more people getting harmed. Without pretending I have all the answers here, I'd note that people like James Gilligan still advocate for confinement in some cases, but with a focus on rehabilitation and a recognition of the confined person's humanity at its centre. Maybe that's hard to imagine. What I'm quite sure of though is that we need to imagine something different than the broken current system.

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David Farrier's avatar

I am reading through all of your comments and fuck - not really a surprise, because it's *you* lot - but I am just stunned by the nuance, honesty and insight. Thanks for being here.

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