Yet in 2022 you have these conspiracy theorists getting on the Republican Ticket for the upcoming Midterm elections and many of them will be elected to Congress. And here I was thinking at one time that Liz Cheny was extreme right but she is coming across as a looney lefty compared to these nutjobs who claim to follow Jesus but in reality worship their guns. And they are the same ones who are distributing these preferred "reading lists" while supporting book banning of ideas they disagree with.
It's small comfort, but on Friday I saw the new Royal New Zealand ballet performance of Cinderella, which was suuuper queer, included Fab Five fairies doing the makeover and the prince having a happy ever after with another prince. The audience was so warm, and so happy, and there were cheers when the princes kissed on stage.
Loughlan Prior the choreographer of this first queer ballet in NZ, was interviewed and said that JA took Neve to the opening night and she sent him a text to say how much they enjoyed it. I thought that was fucking delightful.
I did wonder how she had his mobile number but I suppose she just asked her people.
But I thought that it was so wonderful that she took her little girl to see this which may have been her first ballet? I don’t think she will be going to any of these schools!
I tried to get Osteen for that Filghtless Bird "Religion" episode.... his minder was keen, until a news story broke about him stashing cash in some walls.
What a load of tosh. I was given this sort of rubbish when I was about 10. It's sad to see that over half a century later these morons are still trying to push back against normal human behaviour. And get this: women should not adorn themselves with braids and costly jewellery (and, one assumes, eyeliner), but women naturally gravitate towards beauty, "fixing" their hair and spending lots of time dressing. Make your mind up! The poor souls are terribly conflicted about long hair on men, too. That wretched Samson really set them a problem (and let's not forget that Jesus is invariably portrayed as having long hair).
As a women who has long hair and never wears make up, but nearly always earrings - am I good or bad? I suspect that the fact I built my own boat and live on it alone, puts me firmly in the bad camp, especially as I'm afraid I ignored the call to go forth and procreate!
Again and again with Christianity, I come back to the fact that Jesus said "I bring you a new testament": does that not imply he was saying chuck out the old one? And who are Peter and Paul - apparently single and debtably misogynistic - to tell women how to behave? For heaven's sake, if you have to slavishly follow another person's example, because you are too lazy to work out the difference between right and wrong yourself, at least don't get sidetracked by all the different interpretations of what he meant, often written decades later by men who never even met him!
Incidentally, a huge number of animals, whose bodies are also shaped to fit perfectly for the purposes of procreation, have male to male and female to female sexual encounters.
In reality, it's very easy to know whether to read any further with this garbage: if the text mentions "mom", you know it's USAnian and therefore, to put it politely, moot. In this country children still talk to their mum.
Is there any advice on the conversation you need to have with a young man about the appropriate expression of masculinity, after said young man has bashed up a 13 year old with his fists and the legs of a bed?
Don't you get it? Before Europeans came along Māori weren't Christians so all went to hell for eternity, then the Europeans arrived and brought Christianity and saved all of their souls. If you just come at it from this insane (but common) viewpoint then basically any other action is justifiied
CFLE: Christian Family Life Education. We started this about age 11 at Catholic school and it basically covered exactly what you have provided the background reading for here (plus tampons are somehow slutty). At that age things already didn't make a lot of sense to me from a Christian perspective and their view on sexuality and gender roles unimpressed me even more. That was almost 30 years ago. THIS CONTENT IN 2022 IS BEYOND INSANE. Pink fucking pajamas, wow.
I hope teachers feels able to challenge this. There surely must be so many that find it fundamentally awful and in contradiction to their roles as educational and moral leaders.
I mean, can you IMAGINE the freaking backlash if there were any other religious doctrines being allowed to pedal their own fundamentalist stuff here to this extent? And all it would be is exactly the same thing. And the RW'ers would lose their shit. Nuff said.
I was "confirmed" as a Catholic and had first communion. Part of the indoctrination was "CCD" which was presumably an earlier version of this. I was maybe 10 or 11? I do remember being at the cathedral and my Mum (RIP) being very happy about it. i was, and remain, very confused by the whole thing. That, and the subsequent questions that could not be answered, was the start of my rejection of, firstly catholicism and eventually all religion. Its a pointless cancer and it is entirely self inflcited. It does no good whatever.
Like all systems we create to live by- political, societal or religious, there seems to be some foundational merit in collectively embracing values around caring for each other and being kind and teamwork. However they are all ultimately used and manipulated by humans to dominate and control other humans and end up becoming so removed from the core intent its almost comical.
I have a horrible feeling that a significant proportion of teachers in these so called christian schools are fully in line with this type material. Those that aren't are likely either a minority or fear losing their jobs so will, for the most part, stay silent.
Check out these people putting themselves up for voting at two NZ Christian schools - of course one of them comes from Focus on the Family, one of the biggest, grossest lobby groups in the US.
The desire to be seen as chosen, special and superior is just so strong.
If any of these people truly wanted to do good in the world, the first thing they would need to accept is that people that are not like them have a right to be in it and to express themselves too. And they just don't.
Ah dear, FotF. We endured many a message from Dr James Dobbson, while growing up in my own version of Handmaids Tale. Looking back, I wonder which wheetbix packet he got his Doctorate from. (maybe the same one as Dr Oz).
Along the lines of Bethlehem and their 13 rules/beliefs, the funding model using public money will hopefully provide some level of requirement to reign in the bullshit
then it is well beyond time that these type of teachers became an actual - preferably unemployed - minority. The damage they cause is beginning to be a little bit too obvious nowadays........
It's horrifying. I feel like we're moving into a Handmaid's Tale-type future.
I went to an all girls Catholic high school. Our sex education in 1991 consisted of an horrifically violent abortion video and the message "just say no". I was 16. In the 7th form (Year 13) a young, new nun joined the staff. She risked her job and vocation to give us (there were only 30 of us - small school) a quick run down on the actual important bits of sex ed and handed out brochures for the Family Planning Clinic. She was a wonderful, brave woman ahead of her time. She "left" soon after.
When I completed my secondary teacher training in 2013 at AUT, the trainee science teachers in my cohort that were sent to Kingsway (Christian school in Silverdale) for their practical training segment had to pretend they didn't believe in evolution. You know, only one of the most basic scientific principles that underpins the study of biology!
Yes, across the cohort there was the entire range of schools for practicums, co-ed, single sex, private, public, religious, lowest decile, highest decile. Luck of the draw for each trainee teacher as to what you got depending upon what the university organized for you. Not sure if it's changed but the idea was each student had a mix of schools across the 4 practicums.
"eager posture" is hilarious (if also tragic in this context!)...it's got the sort of spectacular Japanese-mistranslation vibes that would make it a cool tour name for an alternative rock band
On the reading list there are books and websites, as well as recommended videos curated by the same Christian teacher who arrogantly wore a MAGA hat to a Black Lives Matter protest in 2020. Again… extreme margins of the religious right in America.
I feel like this part is almost mentioned in passing, though I know that's not the intention.... Why is this guy influencing anything? It makes me so angry as a teacher. My recommended reading lists are about being a positive leader, helping boys struggling with writing or the new New Zealand histories curriculum. Not anti- feminist, anti- trans, anti-LGBTQ+, pro-colonialist rubbish.
Yeah I don't even know where to start with that guy.
He is very vocal behind the scenes - used the drama from him wearing a MAGA hat to push his social media and YouTube channels. And I guess he's convinced the schools he knows what's up.
Good to see that some of those who received the email with the reading list were disgusted by it. I really hope that these people GO to the symposium, and speak up loudly and often against this.
The people that are already in these environments but who are against this far-right political brainwashing are the best hope for changing it. If the crazies pushing this shit don't meet any opposition to it, they are just going to get more momentum, and will take it further.
For any people reading this who are able to go, and to speak against it, please, please do.
and here we all were, sitting round wondering where the conspiracy theorising racist misogynists involved in the current protests came from (i.e. FARC, VFF etc). Here - literally - are the freaking training schools.
Oh I agree. I’m in education, currently on maternity leave and I’m so glad to be away from the crazy at the moment. I saw a video the other day of a mother up in arms that the schools are trying to force her child to “be transgender” …. The kid was 10 and learning puberty. Ok Jan.
I just reorganised the books in our Playcentre library, including shelves labelled Community, People, Feelings and Our Bodies. I feel like my selections would out-class every single one of these recommended readings.
Agreed here. I’ve also not seen anything in the news not saying this was a suicide. If anyone has, please let me know, but this was a lot to see over and over again.
Hey Annabelle - didn't mean to derail your day. I guess at times I write Webworm a lot like I write an email - things that jump out at me, say something about the world. And seeing as I am in that park every other day, it's kinda been on my mind ever since.
We need an "outraged yet not surprised" button alongside the "like" button.
It's pretty weird in 2022, that's for sure.
Yet in 2022 you have these conspiracy theorists getting on the Republican Ticket for the upcoming Midterm elections and many of them will be elected to Congress. And here I was thinking at one time that Liz Cheny was extreme right but she is coming across as a looney lefty compared to these nutjobs who claim to follow Jesus but in reality worship their guns. And they are the same ones who are distributing these preferred "reading lists" while supporting book banning of ideas they disagree with.
Was thinking the same thing!
It's small comfort, but on Friday I saw the new Royal New Zealand ballet performance of Cinderella, which was suuuper queer, included Fab Five fairies doing the makeover and the prince having a happy ever after with another prince. The audience was so warm, and so happy, and there were cheers when the princes kissed on stage.
This sounds fucking delightful. This stuff is a nice counter.
PS: The grounds didn't tear open into a direct portal to hell during the performance, per chance?
Loughlan Prior the choreographer of this first queer ballet in NZ, was interviewed and said that JA took Neve to the opening night and she sent him a text to say how much they enjoyed it. I thought that was fucking delightful.
I did wonder how she had his mobile number but I suppose she just asked her people.
But I thought that it was so wonderful that she took her little girl to see this which may have been her first ballet? I don’t think she will be going to any of these schools!
I was up in the circle, but as far as I could tell the ground stayed in one piece. Might want to check with someone who was in the stalls though...
I do know that they did ANOTHER performance the next night though, so if a portal did open, maybe it closed up again?
And who's going to protect us from such outrageous, flagrant displays of love and joy if not our morally superior Xtian schools?
The joy was so palpable!! I don't know what they could possibly have done - laugh/cry -
Ahh I'm so sad that I can't make it to that ballet. Hopefully they will future shows with the same kind of vibe because it sounds amazing.
fingers crossed!
Hearing about that the other day made me really want to go to the ballet (not something that's normally high on my entertainment list).
honestly it was so joyful. The whole production is fun and whimsical and you could tell the performers were having a blast
What if my theological foundation came with theological eyeliner and theological high shine gloss?
Really glad that important issues like "eyeliner" and being discussed.
Imagine being God and reading what humans are worried about.
Incredible.
Gonna have to double check the bishops eyes
What about the bishops hat. Makes them look like walking penises
Sometimes we see what we want to see
But do not, do not I repeat, look at his eyebrows!
Does lip balm count I wonder ....
I'll take "What do Brian Tamaki and Joel Osteen have in common?" for 15, please.
I tried to get Osteen for that Filghtless Bird "Religion" episode.... his minder was keen, until a news story broke about him stashing cash in some walls.
Then things went quiet.
Liebrow pencils?
What a load of tosh. I was given this sort of rubbish when I was about 10. It's sad to see that over half a century later these morons are still trying to push back against normal human behaviour. And get this: women should not adorn themselves with braids and costly jewellery (and, one assumes, eyeliner), but women naturally gravitate towards beauty, "fixing" their hair and spending lots of time dressing. Make your mind up! The poor souls are terribly conflicted about long hair on men, too. That wretched Samson really set them a problem (and let's not forget that Jesus is invariably portrayed as having long hair).
As a women who has long hair and never wears make up, but nearly always earrings - am I good or bad? I suspect that the fact I built my own boat and live on it alone, puts me firmly in the bad camp, especially as I'm afraid I ignored the call to go forth and procreate!
Again and again with Christianity, I come back to the fact that Jesus said "I bring you a new testament": does that not imply he was saying chuck out the old one? And who are Peter and Paul - apparently single and debtably misogynistic - to tell women how to behave? For heaven's sake, if you have to slavishly follow another person's example, because you are too lazy to work out the difference between right and wrong yourself, at least don't get sidetracked by all the different interpretations of what he meant, often written decades later by men who never even met him!
Incidentally, a huge number of animals, whose bodies are also shaped to fit perfectly for the purposes of procreation, have male to male and female to female sexual encounters.
In reality, it's very easy to know whether to read any further with this garbage: if the text mentions "mom", you know it's USAnian and therefore, to put it politely, moot. In this country children still talk to their mum.
That's what gets me. "I was given this sort of rubbish when I was about 10."
I could say the same thing. I am 39 now.
Nothing has changed. Stuck in time. Fucking chaos.
Paul was definitely a misogynist! I don't know about Peter......
Is there any advice on the conversation you need to have with a young man about the appropriate expression of masculinity, after said young man has bashed up a 13 year old with his fists and the legs of a bed?
Wear more eyeliner.
ooooooh, well played!
So Māori children had no education before the Europeans came along, eh?
Nothing that was important apparently
Don't you get it? Before Europeans came along Māori weren't Christians so all went to hell for eternity, then the Europeans arrived and brought Christianity and saved all of their souls. If you just come at it from this insane (but common) viewpoint then basically any other action is justifiied
It's sad how accurate this perception is. Ugh.
CFLE: Christian Family Life Education. We started this about age 11 at Catholic school and it basically covered exactly what you have provided the background reading for here (plus tampons are somehow slutty). At that age things already didn't make a lot of sense to me from a Christian perspective and their view on sexuality and gender roles unimpressed me even more. That was almost 30 years ago. THIS CONTENT IN 2022 IS BEYOND INSANE. Pink fucking pajamas, wow.
I hope teachers feels able to challenge this. There surely must be so many that find it fundamentally awful and in contradiction to their roles as educational and moral leaders.
I did some CFLE back in the day. It's amazing this stuff is still trending in these communities, huh. Stuck in time. A very weird, time.
Out damn tampon, out! Evil!
I mean, can you IMAGINE the freaking backlash if there were any other religious doctrines being allowed to pedal their own fundamentalist stuff here to this extent? And all it would be is exactly the same thing. And the RW'ers would lose their shit. Nuff said.
It is funny how we approach that kind of distinction, as if one kind of batshit crazy is supposedly more legitimate than another form of batshit crazy
*nod* and batshit crazy they all totally are!
I was "confirmed" as a Catholic and had first communion. Part of the indoctrination was "CCD" which was presumably an earlier version of this. I was maybe 10 or 11? I do remember being at the cathedral and my Mum (RIP) being very happy about it. i was, and remain, very confused by the whole thing. That, and the subsequent questions that could not be answered, was the start of my rejection of, firstly catholicism and eventually all religion. Its a pointless cancer and it is entirely self inflcited. It does no good whatever.
Like all systems we create to live by- political, societal or religious, there seems to be some foundational merit in collectively embracing values around caring for each other and being kind and teamwork. However they are all ultimately used and manipulated by humans to dominate and control other humans and end up becoming so removed from the core intent its almost comical.
I have a horrible feeling that a significant proportion of teachers in these so called christian schools are fully in line with this type material. Those that aren't are likely either a minority or fear losing their jobs so will, for the most part, stay silent.
Oh yeah - they really are.
Check out these people putting themselves up for voting at two NZ Christian schools - of course one of them comes from Focus on the Family, one of the biggest, grossest lobby groups in the US.
I've thrown these up on a Dropbox:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pfmfmi0l59e9pjy/AACToAid2Ygt4HWbv002r8q8a?dl=0
Dear lord
I have anxiety from reading those
The desire to be seen as chosen, special and superior is just so strong.
If any of these people truly wanted to do good in the world, the first thing they would need to accept is that people that are not like them have a right to be in it and to express themselves too. And they just don't.
Ah dear, FotF. We endured many a message from Dr James Dobbson, while growing up in my own version of Handmaids Tale. Looking back, I wonder which wheetbix packet he got his Doctorate from. (maybe the same one as Dr Oz).
Along the lines of Bethlehem and their 13 rules/beliefs, the funding model using public money will hopefully provide some level of requirement to reign in the bullshit
I need to chase the Ministry again to see if they are actually doing anything.
then it is well beyond time that these type of teachers became an actual - preferably unemployed - minority. The damage they cause is beginning to be a little bit too obvious nowadays........
It's horrifying. I feel like we're moving into a Handmaid's Tale-type future.
I went to an all girls Catholic high school. Our sex education in 1991 consisted of an horrifically violent abortion video and the message "just say no". I was 16. In the 7th form (Year 13) a young, new nun joined the staff. She risked her job and vocation to give us (there were only 30 of us - small school) a quick run down on the actual important bits of sex ed and handed out brochures for the Family Planning Clinic. She was a wonderful, brave woman ahead of her time. She "left" soon after.
Yeah, our sex ed at BC was just a bunch of STIs on an OCP.
Very healthy stuff.
When I completed my secondary teacher training in 2013 at AUT, the trainee science teachers in my cohort that were sent to Kingsway (Christian school in Silverdale) for their practical training segment had to pretend they didn't believe in evolution. You know, only one of the most basic scientific principles that underpins the study of biology!
We were told evolution is "just a *theory* meaning they have no idea" etc.
How is that not illegal? Is it at least illegal now?
They're in science class, there should be one thing that they teach
They went to a fundie school for practicum?
Yes, across the cohort there was the entire range of schools for practicums, co-ed, single sex, private, public, religious, lowest decile, highest decile. Luck of the draw for each trainee teacher as to what you got depending upon what the university organized for you. Not sure if it's changed but the idea was each student had a mix of schools across the 4 practicums.
The tactillity of the perineum?
"eager posture" is hilarious (if also tragic in this context!)...it's got the sort of spectacular Japanese-mistranslation vibes that would make it a cool tour name for an alternative rock band
Yes - it's got major "Darling, assume the position" vibes
On the reading list there are books and websites, as well as recommended videos curated by the same Christian teacher who arrogantly wore a MAGA hat to a Black Lives Matter protest in 2020. Again… extreme margins of the religious right in America.
I feel like this part is almost mentioned in passing, though I know that's not the intention.... Why is this guy influencing anything? It makes me so angry as a teacher. My recommended reading lists are about being a positive leader, helping boys struggling with writing or the new New Zealand histories curriculum. Not anti- feminist, anti- trans, anti-LGBTQ+, pro-colonialist rubbish.
Yeah I don't even know where to start with that guy.
He is very vocal behind the scenes - used the drama from him wearing a MAGA hat to push his social media and YouTube channels. And I guess he's convinced the schools he knows what's up.
It's..... sad.
Good to see that some of those who received the email with the reading list were disgusted by it. I really hope that these people GO to the symposium, and speak up loudly and often against this.
The people that are already in these environments but who are against this far-right political brainwashing are the best hope for changing it. If the crazies pushing this shit don't meet any opposition to it, they are just going to get more momentum, and will take it further.
For any people reading this who are able to go, and to speak against it, please, please do.
I have just suggested to my SO that she should adopt an "eager posture" because it is "gods will". Yeah, it went about as well as you'd expect.
I wasn't brave enough to go there... :-D
When the bulk of your recommending readings come from Family First, you know you should run fast in the other direction.
It's just the fact that 64 New Zealand schools are card-carrying members of this group.
It's incredibly alarming.
and here we all were, sitting round wondering where the conspiracy theorising racist misogynists involved in the current protests came from (i.e. FARC, VFF etc). Here - literally - are the freaking training schools.
Oh I agree. I’m in education, currently on maternity leave and I’m so glad to be away from the crazy at the moment. I saw a video the other day of a mother up in arms that the schools are trying to force her child to “be transgender” …. The kid was 10 and learning puberty. Ok Jan.
Legit came here to comment on Family First being balls deep in this shit.
Love the rich ironic imagery of FF being balls deep in shit 😆
YES! Exactly what I was thinking!
I just reorganised the books in our Playcentre library, including shelves labelled Community, People, Feelings and Our Bodies. I feel like my selections would out-class every single one of these recommended readings.
Holy shit that was an intense PS - was not prepared for that
Agreed here. I’ve also not seen anything in the news not saying this was a suicide. If anyone has, please let me know, but this was a lot to see over and over again.
Regardless, it deserved a true trigger warning. It was inappropriate to put this at the end of this article as an afterthought.
Hey Annabelle - didn't mean to derail your day. I guess at times I write Webworm a lot like I write an email - things that jump out at me, say something about the world. And seeing as I am in that park every other day, it's kinda been on my mind ever since.