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Josh Drummond's avatar

There's this old saying about a lie running around the world before the truth has its boots on, and I feel that's more true than ever. Lies are running laps around the truth, faster and faster and faster. And so often the lie gets a boost from being some warped or backwards version of the truth and it always seems to appeal to the same kind of people, the same kind of mind. 15 minute cities. Chemtrails. Climate change. Non-verbal kids. Each has its own bizarre counterpart. Naomi Klein's Doppleganger had it perfectly; for every important truth of the world there is a mirror version that is seized upon by grifters, desperate people, and idiots, and spreads like wildfire.

My son is autistic and he's an excellent kid. He doesn't need to be magical to be special. Seeing autistic kids preyed upon in this way is sickening, but as usual it's the bigger picture that worries me; how lies can be so fervently and furiously believed, the rabid hunger among a certain - large - segment of the population for not just unreality but anti-reality, and where that raging appetite is taking the world.

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Jess's avatar
3dEdited

Guess what, jerks? Non-verbal autistic children are valuable in and of themselves. They don't need to be "useful" to deserve love and respect and a good human experience. I keep thinking of my sister and her nonverbal autistic grandson, and how she lights up when she talks about him. He doesn't do anything special or different that I'm aware of (I live a long way away so I don't see him much) but just his presence is enough for her to be head over heels for him. Everyone, autistic or not, should have that, instead of their humanity being graded on their utility.

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David Farrier's avatar

THIS!

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Shane Meyer-Holt's avatar

I also can't help but think there's a connection between this and RFK Jnr's wanting to create lists of Autistic people, and "solve them" (reflecting a particular demographics deep discomfort with disability - it's easier to believe it's connected to a conspiracy than it is that this is just part of the diversity of humanity).

Maybe if they are magical, not "different", they aren't at risk of being "solved" by whatever that government comes up with.

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Jess's avatar

Oh, you hit the nail on the head there...the notion that we have to solve/fix every disability is maddening. I have an adult son with epilepsy that's never been completely controlled. When he was young, it was REALLY bad, with hundreds of seizures (that we knew of) in a week. I used to get so frustrated with family members that kept insisting surely there was something that could stop them for good - you never stop trying, but at some point you have to accept that this is your normal and figure out how to have a good life different than the one you pictured. And it shouldn't involve making things up about whatever challenging condition you're facing.

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Shane Meyer-Holt's avatar

"at some point you have to accept that this is your normal and figure out how to have a good life different than the one you pictured. And it shouldn't involve making things up about whatever challenging condition you're facing."

This is absolutely it.

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Shane Meyer-Holt's avatar

Exactly! As the parent of an autistic kid, and someone all too familiar with the very worst bits of Christianity, I wonder whether the real function this is serving is to deal with the deep discomfort of disability, death and powerlessness that they feel.

Rather than facing the grief of parenting working out differently than they imagined, and the fact that God isn't in control and doesn't just "work everything out perfectly somehow", it's much easier to believe that this is actually awesome in every way because instead God made them magical and so it's actually still all "perfect".

Far easier than facing the deeply complex and unfair world we live in, and that ultimately we are incredibly vulnerable to pain and suffering and that God can't prevent it. Or having to see the beauty and wonder and goodness of humanity in all of its variety and difference and imperfection.

Too early for my brain to articulate, but there are some very strong "death drive" and eugenics themes happening here.

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Shane Meyer-Holt's avatar

(For those concerned, this does not necessarily exclude the possibility of God's involvement in the world btw, there are compelling "open and relational" and "process" theologies that open up other possibilities.)

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Sarah Yuile's avatar

There are many layers to this, the links to the far right being one. There’s another whole issue here where people are exploiting children and claiming to have a special bond with them.

I worked with non speaking young adults for many years. I’m also Autistic.

You can develop a close bond with someone that means you can pick up on subtle cues, eye movements, sounds etc and have a rapport to where you can guess what they likely wanting/thinking/feeling. But then nothing should be assumed unless it’s emphatically confirmed by them. Most of the people I worked with are capable of communicating, just not by spoken word. They Do have a voice. Their own one.

There’s also an element of “look how special I am that I’m able to communicate with this person and I have been chosen for this message”. Subverting disabled people for ego and status.

It’s clear none of the children have any agency, say or control over any of this. And none of them consented to being on the show.

There’s also the topic of assisted communication and how this gets used against an individual. If that child wanted to tell the adults to fuck off, that wouldn’t be listened to. It’s been used as a tool for exploitation, not communication.

Dr Devon Price, Autistic Social Psychologist has also done a really good piece on the Telepathy Tapes. And because his audience is mostly disabled he got a Lot of heat from people who claim this is true.

I get some parents want to desperately believe that their children can communicate. But that’s the thing, they Can. Without “telepathy”. They also want to believe that there is a higher reason for the disability and struggle. That’s also why this show is so dangerous. It feeds off this vulnerability and reinforces an ableist worldview, which has also forced many Autistic people into ABA (conversion therapy) with the goal of making us “normal”

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Angela Dahl's avatar

Preying on kids unable to defend themselves and the parents desperate to connect with their children (but unable or unwilling to meet them where they’re at) in order to make money is, in fact, child exploitation.

Note the absence of drag queens in this story, but of course they’re the ones with moral failings.

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David Farrier's avatar

It stuns me that this thing is winning awards, and represented by a giant US agency like UTA.

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Joe G.'s avatar

And when the house of cards comes tumbling down, they'll all pretend they've never heard of it.

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Angela Dahl's avatar

Sensationalism sells! UTA is making a fortune off the backs of exploited children

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Rowan V's avatar

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Thank you for not letting up on this. Thank you.

Fucking AWARD-WINNING, it makes me feel SICK that they can say that now.

Disgusting, nonsensical and dangerous drivel, it is infuriating how this seems to have caught on.

People are so desperate for non-verbal autistic kids to be 'worth' something (🤢) they just buy into this shit with 0 critical thinking. Guess what, assholes, they're human beings who are worthy of love and happiness regardless of whether they're supernatural or not!

Aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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David Farrier's avatar

People keep sending it to me. Friends are sending it to me. It makes me feel insane.

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Rowan V's avatar

It's like the ableism just shuts off their critical thinking - even people you wouldn't expect it from! It makes me want to tear out my hair

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David Farrier's avatar

I feel like I understand how people fall for certain things - but this one fucking mystifies me.

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Rowan V's avatar

I wonder what these people think God will think of them if they ever make it to the pearly gates cos I can't imagine the big fella being pleased if he was real

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Joe G.'s avatar

I have to laugh at the comment from the mother who worried The Telepathy Tapes was too "new age" and her relief to find it was properly Christian.

A lot of people think of New Age woo as always being left-wing coded, and sometimes it is, but not always. One of the big new Age thinkers was Helena Blavatsky, whose writings heavily influenced the Nazis.

I also think a lot of this magical thinking inherently appeals to narcissists, but maybe that's a topic for another time.

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David Farrier's avatar

Yeah this takes me straight back to QAnon Webworm days. The wellness circle going down that rabbit hole. Now here we are again with this WILDLY popular podcast THAT FRIENDS KEEP SENDING ME HOW IS THIS HAPPENING

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Joe G.'s avatar

Me personally, I would send you a podcast about how Santa is real before I ever sent you The Telepathy Tapes.

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HarryTasker's avatar

Anyone that sent me a link to this podcast wouldn't be a friend for very long - unless it was caveated with a message along the lines of "JFC - can you believe this utter horse-shit?"

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Ruby Valentine's avatar

I haven't listened to it, only soundbites from those other podcasts - but I think I remember them saying the tinfoil doesn't come onto it until near the end? Maybe your friends aren't listening to the whole thing and now they're really embarrassed

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Jacey's avatar

This is the kind of story that I never would have come across were it not for Webworm. Every time I think I'm done being surprised by whatever the fuck people are up to these days, you write a new article.

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Summerhaze's avatar

Same here. I don't use Facebook or Insta or Tiktok, etc. I couldn't bear the rubbish and I don't have the time or the bandwidth for it. The reality of real events is horror enough.

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Helena Handcart's avatar

I'm the grandma of a fabulous and very verbal autistic kid — I'm guessing it's only the non-verbal kids they are exploiting. My wee one would very bluntly tell these grifters and gulls where and when to go!

I'm not surprised to read there is a weird Christian woo-woo connection to all this. The only positive I'm finding is that they're talking about angelic, not demonic forces.

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Sam Moo's avatar

I'm not sure how the connection gets spun though that autism = voice of God, but vaccines are bad and vaccines = autism, surely then vaccines are good?

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Sander's avatar

yes, thats got my head spinning. How is there not a run on vaccines on the back of this podcasts success?

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Jazmine Bell's avatar

Bloody hell, the Christians are grabbing anything these days, but this is particularly disturbing. In my dissociative identity circle of people, there is quite a crossover of co-morbid diagnoses of people on the spectrum as well. For far too long, the Christians have gravitated towards us all. They would hang on to the fact that they think we hear things, and they wanted to know what? The idea that they think we hear god is a sick joke- I spent years reminding them that god was r*p*d right out of me, but for some strange reason, they don't like that. Been thinking about Virginia Giuffre, her suicide and her connection to Christians. I'm still involved in the sex work support world, a world that Christians have invaded and need to fuck off from. There is a high-profile Christian woman here in NZ who so-called works with trafficked victims. We've been trying forever to get the trafficked women away from Christians and into safer sex worker spaces, but how the Christians work is so godam dark it is nearly impossible to help. The help they offer starts with "I hear you", then very quickly it becomes about sending you links to listen to their podcasts, buy their books and talk only with them, then boom, you are trapped in the Christian-only land. I've tried to listen to the trafficking podcasts run by the Christians, and it makes my skin crawl; they are getting so much wrong, they are missing points and causing more harm than doing any good. They do not want you talking about good times that you had, (to clarify- for the sake of one's sanity it is important to remember good times, like I was sent to quite epic parties and travelled the world etc) Christains only can cope when so called 'working with other people' hearing only the bad stuff. This keeps you trapped in feeling sad, depressed and easily controlled.

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BigSamThompson's avatar

Everything ultimately always ends up being about money & power so, keep digging. I can only assume that someone has given this lady a hefty sack of cash & something to do with having power.

Also, this person absolutely knows what she is doing and who she is dealing with based on the way she has handled them & the erasing of the books from the website. I would absolutely love to hear about her personal political & spiritual beliefs, though.

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One more thing. If you are looking for positive disabled representation, I think journalist/academic David M. Perry does a nice job. He has written some formal pieces about disability but honestly, I just enjoy the casual mentions of his son on his Bluesky or Instagram. You can actually get a sense of his son's personality from the things he says & the pictures he posts instead of just, DISABLED PERSON. My favorite thing is when he posts photos or videos of him dancing. David is also a musician so Nico gets to go to a lot of shows and it's clear that he loves it.

More of this, please. Let people dictate their own joy, even if they can't speak.

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BigSamThompson's avatar

Okay, so, two more things, I guess.

Not particularly related but, David, go down the rabbit hole with The Wellness Company. My mother's "news" channel, Real America's Voice, is nothing but rightwing nut jobs trying to sell you stuff and at this point, every segment has a doctor or scientist or businessman from The Wellness Company on there. It seems like they are interviewing experts but all of them work for this one company and they want you to buy their stuff. A quick google search also reveals they have ties to folks in the current administration, too. I need to know more about this company and the people in it & I want other people to know about it, too.

Have fun, David.

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Amanda Pinney's avatar

I’ve never heard of Real America’s Voice, that is wild.

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BigSamThompson's avatar

I've watched hours of it in the last 2 years and it's like living in upside down land. Very weird. I'm unsure of how popular it is with conservatives but no one on the left that I have talked to has even heard of it. To me, it is blatantly just trying to sell things, particularly targeting older people, but to conservatives, I guess it looks legit? My mother has talked about buying prepper kits from on there but hasn't done it yet. I'm pretty sure she has bought stuff from The Wellness Company. And her and my stepdad joined AMAC (the conservative AARP; to my knowledge it just seems like a conservative lobbying group). Steve Bannon is always on there; he has his own show called The War Room.

I'm pretty used to it by now but I think most folks on the left would be screaming and ripping out their hair if they had to watch it or knew that their parents were watching it. It is batshit crazy and manipulative compared to Fox News.

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kathleen Murdoch's avatar

As a mother of two disabled children I find it deeply offensive that these people are prepared to use vulnerable and handicapped people to further their twisted and repellent agenda.

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Maree Robinson's avatar

For the majority of my autistic son’s life, I have had the added burden of having to deflect these ridiculous people who give zero f’s about my child, but wish to push their agendas and their own 5 minutes of fame.

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Ruby Valentine's avatar

I'm sorry, that must be really tough 🌷

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Crang's avatar

When I first listened to the podcast (as an autistic women myself) it was truly mind boggling that this ‘scientific evidence’ based idea had gained enough traction to manifest as an educational podcast. The points you brought up in this article now make it clear to me how this happened. I think it stems from the idea that alltistic people are discovering that a quote unquote ‘non-verbal/non-communicative person’ can actually communicate (who would’ve thought!) Although my autistic experiences differ greatly from those mentioned in the podcast, I thought it was pretty clear to most people that communication works in a myriad of ways for all of us, and that there was no need to ‘prove’ that autistic people are actually all there and have something to provide to the rest of the world. A bit of a babble, just what this article made me think about, cheers David.

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David Farrier's avatar

The junk science has already been debunked in a bunch of articles and podcasts.

What blew my mind is that no-one was really looking at who was in the podcast. This is an openly gay creator platforming Joe Infranco, a notoriously anti gay man. Who OPENLY LOBBIED against gay rights.

It's really, really bad.

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Chris's avatar
2dEdited

Our autistic kid is verbal most of the time, but obviously struggles at other times. To outsiders it probably looks like we have a telepathic link, because after 7 years of helping her navigate life I have a damn good read on what she needs/wants to feel safe and happy. And when she's struggling.

Just reading about the ideas these people have is making me feel sick.

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Emma-Jean's avatar

Niamh Garvey, an autistic Irish writer and editor briefly mentions in an intro stories of changelings in Irish mythology possibly being misidentified autistic folk. It's amazing how it sounds like TTT has amplified a skerrick of an idea into a platform for misinformation. Click bait podcasting, yeesh. No wonder a student the other day told me 'podcasts have a bad reputation'.

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Helwise's avatar

Thanks for your mahi on this ongoing (and frankly psychotic) abuse of vulnerable children.

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