You’d think someone who preaches via “just my opinion” type posts wouldn’t feel the need to use “v@ccine” and “v1rus” to hide their posts from content moderators... It’s almost as if she knows she’s doing something wrong... 🤔
Idiot. There is a reason she is writing "v1rus." I actually loathe anti vaccers. They are the most selfish people. They bang on about their choice but its other people who they get sick. They should be made to watch videos of babies with whooping cough.
I went in to anaphylactic shock four years ago after getting a flu jab so they haven't let me get it since. I count on others to get it on my behalf. I have no idea if they'll let me get COVID vaccine or not, hopefully it's completely different. Ours is being rolled out on a phased basis and likely to get to my demographic during the summer.
I’ve had the vaccine, I had a little arm ache but I was tended when I got it because I’d stupidly put a long sleeved t shirt on and had to pop my arm out of the head hole! I feel totally fine and so do the majority of my friends who’ve had it, some feel a little icky but they all feel a LOT better than the people we know who’ve had covid! The way these influencers work is ridiculous, the vaccine doesn’t affect fertility or anything else, it’s so valuable to regaining normality in society if like me you’re unfortunate to live somewhere where covid is killing thousands a day
I haaate these Gwynethy wellness broads. They do so much damage. Here is the bottom line about vaccines (and really any medical procedure): risk vs. benefit! The risk of getting the vaccine is negligible, but the benefit of literally lifesaving for you AND anyone you come in contact with. It's pretty simple.
She's a covidiot. Full stop. I wish more people could see through the dangerous bullshit these people spout. In another vein, I'd love to see you write a little bit about how much vitriol we returning overseas kiwis are facing from a seemingly large group of home-based kiwis, mainly based on fear and misinformation. And I suspect a splash of Tall Poppy. It's really upsetting, especially after all that we have been/are going through 10 months later compared to NZ's 3 or 4 week lockdown. Quite desperate and often heartbreaking times. 💔
‘Straight’ chiropractors (I.e. the orthodox ones who reject evidence based medicine) are like the OG of antivaxers, been against them since the 1890s. Back then chiropractic ‘theory’ (I’m using that term very loosely) had a lot of overlap with germ theory denialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_denialism which was all the rage in Pasteur’s time. Pretty much all human progress in medicine has been rejected by these types.
First of all, “sisterhood of the traveling pandemic exploiters”...priceless!!! 🤣
Second, this has been a thorny issue for me personally as I am a physician and my brother has been, with waxing and waning levels of enthusiasm, into various conspiracies ranging from Bilderberg Group and Bohemian Grove to fake moon landing. He has never been too hot on vaccines even prior to COVID which has, at times, led to heated discussions between us. With COVID, he was pretty intolerable on FB and would recklessly post to register his distaste for various mandates. Sometimes, he will point out something truly in conflict and ridiculous (as some of the early guidance here in the states was muddled and unscientific and mixed with a lot of political identity). He responds to reason... sometimes. And it would be wrong, I think to throw out his concern as just being stupid or uninformed as he was not able to work for quite awhile and was worried for months if he might lose his house. So...I get it when people are upset and I think we sound really elitist when we on the left or in the “scientific community” say “just shut up and sacrifice” when people really are hurting. But I digress.
I love my brother and he is intelligent. But for whatever reason he can’t accept that 1) the medical community is made up of people that generally want to try to help people and are not of one mind on much of anything let alone coordinated enough to all pull the wool over everyone’s eyes and pull off some massive forced vaccine plot designed to... microchip everyone? infect everyone?... god only knows what? 2) vaccines as a technology are pretty well understood as far as how they accomplish what they do inside of the body in order to establish immunity, 3) vaccination as a whole is probably the single greatest medical innovation in history and has SO MANY real world examples of MASSIVE MASSIVE success for VERY LOW risk.
Take a closer look at #3...remember smallpox? It’s ok if you don’t. That’s because it doesn’t exist anymore. That’s right, the smallpox vaccine, initially developed in 1796!!! by British physician Edward Jenner, was the first vaccine in history and the disease was declared ELIMINATED by the WHO in 1980. That is truly incredible. Or take polio...surely you’ve seen the photos of all the little kids lined up in ventilators (at that time called “Iron Lungs” because we didn’t have the medical tech yet to deliver positive pressure to the lungs to blow them up like a balloon as we do today so we supported breathing by making the pressure inside of the tank less than atmospheric pressure thus pulling air into the lungs the same way you do when you pry apart the handle of a bellows for your fireplace). FDR was in a goddamn wheelchair his whole life from the neurological sequelae. We don’t see any of this now because of effective vaccination campaigns and we are close to eradicating polio worldwide as well. But now with the emergence of this anti-vaccination movement we are seeing resurgence of things like polio, whooping cough, and measles which, again, are more than just acute illnesses because they can cause terrible long term effects in some people.
I am sure everyone here knows these arguments already, but I guess it makes me feel better to say them to a group of sympathetic people and maybe for some in the thread who are in my situation and have a family member that they still (probably futilely) are trying to convince, maybe they will help you erode some of the false confidence many in the anti-vaccine camp have in their convictions.
Thanks again David for the article and sharing the comic. Also, loving the Armchaired and Dangerous podcasts. You and Dax and Monica have great chemistry. 😉
My inner grammar nazi liked the jab at Alanis' Ironic. The rest of me thinks language evolves and thus rules and definitions can change. 😅
While I applaud the shaming of influencers peddling misinformation to sell their own wares, I'd like to say 1) I don't know if influencers or their audience that see this will change their minds about their misinformation or just double down on it (I suppose they aren't the target audience, and it is for the rest of us to have a bit of a chuckle while trying to process why anyone would even do anything like that), and 2) we should recognise the difference between antivaxxers and the vaccine hesitant:
The frame about the laughing with mason jar is so perfect.
Seeing people getting angry about the fact checker popping up on their posts is equal parts horror and lolz. A big ol' I'M SICK OF FACTS BUTTING INTO MY PAGE! rage makes my day.
You’d think someone who preaches via “just my opinion” type posts wouldn’t feel the need to use “v@ccine” and “v1rus” to hide their posts from content moderators... It’s almost as if she knows she’s doing something wrong... 🤔
Idiot. There is a reason she is writing "v1rus." I actually loathe anti vaccers. They are the most selfish people. They bang on about their choice but its other people who they get sick. They should be made to watch videos of babies with whooping cough.
I went in to anaphylactic shock four years ago after getting a flu jab so they haven't let me get it since. I count on others to get it on my behalf. I have no idea if they'll let me get COVID vaccine or not, hopefully it's completely different. Ours is being rolled out on a phased basis and likely to get to my demographic during the summer.
I’ve had the vaccine, I had a little arm ache but I was tended when I got it because I’d stupidly put a long sleeved t shirt on and had to pop my arm out of the head hole! I feel totally fine and so do the majority of my friends who’ve had it, some feel a little icky but they all feel a LOT better than the people we know who’ve had covid! The way these influencers work is ridiculous, the vaccine doesn’t affect fertility or anything else, it’s so valuable to regaining normality in society if like me you’re unfortunate to live somewhere where covid is killing thousands a day
I haaate these Gwynethy wellness broads. They do so much damage. Here is the bottom line about vaccines (and really any medical procedure): risk vs. benefit! The risk of getting the vaccine is negligible, but the benefit of literally lifesaving for you AND anyone you come in contact with. It's pretty simple.
She's a covidiot. Full stop. I wish more people could see through the dangerous bullshit these people spout. In another vein, I'd love to see you write a little bit about how much vitriol we returning overseas kiwis are facing from a seemingly large group of home-based kiwis, mainly based on fear and misinformation. And I suspect a splash of Tall Poppy. It's really upsetting, especially after all that we have been/are going through 10 months later compared to NZ's 3 or 4 week lockdown. Quite desperate and often heartbreaking times. 💔
This speaks to my very soul 😂 I adore you both.
She’s so awful, just so smug in her stupidity. I have reported every Instagram post of hers containing false info.
(stands up) I ... am Angela Hitler!
She also sells DIY enema kits on her webstore alongside her self published books. She once called for Australia to resign from the UN/WHO.
‘Straight’ chiropractors (I.e. the orthodox ones who reject evidence based medicine) are like the OG of antivaxers, been against them since the 1890s. Back then chiropractic ‘theory’ (I’m using that term very loosely) had a lot of overlap with germ theory denialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_denialism which was all the rage in Pasteur’s time. Pretty much all human progress in medicine has been rejected by these types.
This is one sad result of mental illness mixing with the destructive new-age self-help talked about in the comic 😥 https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/sf-murder-suicide-vaccines-pierce-oloughlin-15877891.php
Love the Alanis Morrisette t-shirt.
First of all, “sisterhood of the traveling pandemic exploiters”...priceless!!! 🤣
Second, this has been a thorny issue for me personally as I am a physician and my brother has been, with waxing and waning levels of enthusiasm, into various conspiracies ranging from Bilderberg Group and Bohemian Grove to fake moon landing. He has never been too hot on vaccines even prior to COVID which has, at times, led to heated discussions between us. With COVID, he was pretty intolerable on FB and would recklessly post to register his distaste for various mandates. Sometimes, he will point out something truly in conflict and ridiculous (as some of the early guidance here in the states was muddled and unscientific and mixed with a lot of political identity). He responds to reason... sometimes. And it would be wrong, I think to throw out his concern as just being stupid or uninformed as he was not able to work for quite awhile and was worried for months if he might lose his house. So...I get it when people are upset and I think we sound really elitist when we on the left or in the “scientific community” say “just shut up and sacrifice” when people really are hurting. But I digress.
I love my brother and he is intelligent. But for whatever reason he can’t accept that 1) the medical community is made up of people that generally want to try to help people and are not of one mind on much of anything let alone coordinated enough to all pull the wool over everyone’s eyes and pull off some massive forced vaccine plot designed to... microchip everyone? infect everyone?... god only knows what? 2) vaccines as a technology are pretty well understood as far as how they accomplish what they do inside of the body in order to establish immunity, 3) vaccination as a whole is probably the single greatest medical innovation in history and has SO MANY real world examples of MASSIVE MASSIVE success for VERY LOW risk.
Take a closer look at #3...remember smallpox? It’s ok if you don’t. That’s because it doesn’t exist anymore. That’s right, the smallpox vaccine, initially developed in 1796!!! by British physician Edward Jenner, was the first vaccine in history and the disease was declared ELIMINATED by the WHO in 1980. That is truly incredible. Or take polio...surely you’ve seen the photos of all the little kids lined up in ventilators (at that time called “Iron Lungs” because we didn’t have the medical tech yet to deliver positive pressure to the lungs to blow them up like a balloon as we do today so we supported breathing by making the pressure inside of the tank less than atmospheric pressure thus pulling air into the lungs the same way you do when you pry apart the handle of a bellows for your fireplace). FDR was in a goddamn wheelchair his whole life from the neurological sequelae. We don’t see any of this now because of effective vaccination campaigns and we are close to eradicating polio worldwide as well. But now with the emergence of this anti-vaccination movement we are seeing resurgence of things like polio, whooping cough, and measles which, again, are more than just acute illnesses because they can cause terrible long term effects in some people.
I am sure everyone here knows these arguments already, but I guess it makes me feel better to say them to a group of sympathetic people and maybe for some in the thread who are in my situation and have a family member that they still (probably futilely) are trying to convince, maybe they will help you erode some of the false confidence many in the anti-vaccine camp have in their convictions.
Thanks again David for the article and sharing the comic. Also, loving the Armchaired and Dangerous podcasts. You and Dax and Monica have great chemistry. 😉
Sounds like the people ‘just asking questions’ don’t want you asking questions... (thoughtful emoji)
My inner grammar nazi liked the jab at Alanis' Ironic. The rest of me thinks language evolves and thus rules and definitions can change. 😅
While I applaud the shaming of influencers peddling misinformation to sell their own wares, I'd like to say 1) I don't know if influencers or their audience that see this will change their minds about their misinformation or just double down on it (I suppose they aren't the target audience, and it is for the rest of us to have a bit of a chuckle while trying to process why anyone would even do anything like that), and 2) we should recognise the difference between antivaxxers and the vaccine hesitant:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/16/vaccine-hesitant-anti-vaxxers-public-health-experts-covid
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/10/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-us-health-workers
The frame about the laughing with mason jar is so perfect.
Seeing people getting angry about the fact checker popping up on their posts is equal parts horror and lolz. A big ol' I'M SICK OF FACTS BUTTING INTO MY PAGE! rage makes my day.