Can’t wait for all the Arbonne Babes to come out swinging ‘not OUR ONE, OUR ONE is a hEalTh and WELLnEsS affliliate MARKETING programme and if it didn’t work for you, you didn’t work hard enough!’
A LOT of MLM’s come out of Utah - which also happens to be a very religious and republican state. They have less government regulation there making it easier for them to grow. There’s a great podcast on MLMs called The Dream that looks into these MLM events, getting sucked in, who their target audience are and why the government won’t touch them. It also briefly touches on the crossover of religion and MLMs.
Jonathan is like the dream client for his lawyer. I hope he’s getting charged $1000 an hour for his lawyer to read your article, the full email chain, drafting a nonsense letter asking you to correct or withdraw your comments (presumably updating the usual template), and a few phone calls explaining how truth and honest opinion works in a legal sense.
There’s a great podcast called The Dream that digs into the history & current state of MLMs. Basically Amway is the ur-MLM and the money they threw at politicians (and their own political affiliations - is the name DeVos familiar?) got them out of being charged as a pyramid scheme thus paving the way for every other MLM to claim they’re structured just like Amway & since Amway was found not to be an MLM then neither are they. Money & politics is a horrible combination :/
This reminded of the Herald article on Wayne Brown bitching to his “grumpy old men” tennis mates about having to talk to the “media drongos” & then asking “please don’t [publish it]” when confronted with the evidence.
Actually, no this is much worse as he goes to immediate legal threats after being shown up as an utter arsehole with his first response. Can’t wait to see you open up another can of worthy whoopass David! Hopefully, it’ll help folks not get hoodwinked and lose their hard earned money.
Mmmmmm, well I actually tell people I have the reading and writing level of a 9.3-year-old, left school at the age of 14 and have the gift of dyslexia. I use voice recognition to compose all my messages and I use text to speak software (Apple) so I can comprehend the words on the screen, if I read the words I literally don't understand them.
Then I go on to say, if someone with my education can work out this is a Pyramid scheme, Ponzi scheme or a Scam why can't educated people not see this.
The problem with Crypto is many people are learning the ropes and they bamboozle people with terminology that it's hard for the educated person to even understand. Because these people don't get their head around it they will rely on a friend or family members recommendation instead.
One guy phone me telling me he invested $26,000 quit his job and was going to live of the passive income. That lasted for two months, then the platform stopped paying out rewards in USDT now he tells me his wife is the only breadwinner and the bills mounting and he's depressed.
I've done zoom meetings with people that have invested $5 million into these Ponzi schemes and lost the lot, a lot of the people that lose their money are heading to retirement and using the pension funds to invest it's disgusting.
Don't quote me.. ok I'll just screenshot your email. He's gonna be so pissed (chuckle).
In all seriousness, journalists really do have to keep writing about this crap, it has never stopped and will never stop. A new one will pop up. Emotional scams are rife as well. It sucks.
MLMs and Churches are so similar. A lot of people that I know that get sucked into MLMs are also very actively involved in church. Interesting correlations.
Jan 31, 2023·edited Jan 31, 2023Liked by David Farrier
Sorry but if you are already into evangelism or you find yourself drawn to the plethora of conspiracy crap that suffuses modern life, you really are like that deer in the Larson cartoon with the unfortunate birthmark to these shysters. https://www.pinterest.nz/pin/564638872007927576/
And don't they know it! It might be a coincidence that at least one of the caring mums linked to Voices for Freedom also peddles this stuff, but we're constantly reminded that there are no coincidences.
I was in an evangelical church for a decade. The MLMs praying on women in the congregation were so numerous. All you had to do was run the numbers to discover these ladies were making just a few bucks an hour based on the vast time and effort they were putting in.
Can’t wait for all the Arbonne Babes to come out swinging ‘not OUR ONE, OUR ONE is a hEalTh and WELLnEsS affliliate MARKETING programme and if it didn’t work for you, you didn’t work hard enough!’
Join me at UR-IN, the fastest way to earn imaginary "money". It isn't a scam.
A LOT of MLM’s come out of Utah - which also happens to be a very religious and republican state. They have less government regulation there making it easier for them to grow. There’s a great podcast on MLMs called The Dream that looks into these MLM events, getting sucked in, who their target audience are and why the government won’t touch them. It also briefly touches on the crossover of religion and MLMs.
Jonathan is like the dream client for his lawyer. I hope he’s getting charged $1000 an hour for his lawyer to read your article, the full email chain, drafting a nonsense letter asking you to correct or withdraw your comments (presumably updating the usual template), and a few phone calls explaining how truth and honest opinion works in a legal sense.
There are several parallels between religious cults and people who run Ponzi schemes:
1) Both rely on persuasion and manipulation to recruit and retain members/victims.
2) Both often use charismatic leaders to gain followers/victims.
3) Both may use secrecy and isolation to control members/victims and prevent them from leaving or speaking out.
4) Both may use propaganda and misinformation to maintain the loyalty of members/victims.
5) Both may use financial incentives to recruit and retain members/victims.
6) Both may use threats and intimidation to silence dissent and maintain control.
7) Both may prey on vulnerable individuals, such as those who are financially or emotionally distressed.
8) Both may use a sense of community or belonging to keep members/victims committed.
9) Both may exploit the trust and loyalty of members/victims for personal gain.
10) Both may cause significant harm to members/victims, including financial ruin and emotional trauma.
11) Both may use the guise of a legitimate organisation or cause to mask their true intentions.
12) Both may use techniques such as hypnosis or brainwashing to control members/victims.
13) Both may use group pressure and peer influence to coerce members/victims into compliance.
14) Both may use rewards and punishments to control behaviour and maintain loyalty.
15) Both may use emotional appeals and appeals to higher ideals to justify their actions.
16) Both may use the promise of a better future or a utopian vision to attract and retain members/victims.
17) Both may use fear and anxiety to control and manipulate members/victims.
18) Both may use legal and financial tactics to intimidate and silence dissent.
19) Both may use deceptive and manipulative language to mislead and deceive members/victims.
20) Both may engage in unethical and illegal activities to further their goals and protect their interests.
I love the comments almost as much as the post. Go David! Go webworm subscribers! Y’all give me hope for this world!
There’s a great podcast called The Dream that digs into the history & current state of MLMs. Basically Amway is the ur-MLM and the money they threw at politicians (and their own political affiliations - is the name DeVos familiar?) got them out of being charged as a pyramid scheme thus paving the way for every other MLM to claim they’re structured just like Amway & since Amway was found not to be an MLM then neither are they. Money & politics is a horrible combination :/
This reminded of the Herald article on Wayne Brown bitching to his “grumpy old men” tennis mates about having to talk to the “media drongos” & then asking “please don’t [publish it]” when confronted with the evidence.
Actually, no this is much worse as he goes to immediate legal threats after being shown up as an utter arsehole with his first response. Can’t wait to see you open up another can of worthy whoopass David! Hopefully, it’ll help folks not get hoodwinked and lose their hard earned money.
“Appreciate the chat”
Mmmmmm, well I actually tell people I have the reading and writing level of a 9.3-year-old, left school at the age of 14 and have the gift of dyslexia. I use voice recognition to compose all my messages and I use text to speak software (Apple) so I can comprehend the words on the screen, if I read the words I literally don't understand them.
Then I go on to say, if someone with my education can work out this is a Pyramid scheme, Ponzi scheme or a Scam why can't educated people not see this.
The problem with Crypto is many people are learning the ropes and they bamboozle people with terminology that it's hard for the educated person to even understand. Because these people don't get their head around it they will rely on a friend or family members recommendation instead.
One guy phone me telling me he invested $26,000 quit his job and was going to live of the passive income. That lasted for two months, then the platform stopped paying out rewards in USDT now he tells me his wife is the only breadwinner and the bills mounting and he's depressed.
I've done zoom meetings with people that have invested $5 million into these Ponzi schemes and lost the lot, a lot of the people that lose their money are heading to retirement and using the pension funds to invest it's disgusting.
HA542@accor.com
Is Novotel Christchurch email address
I sent this with a screenshot of the event.
These folks are scammers and you are hosting them. You are doing your own community a lot of harm.
It’s not too late to do a bit of your own research and discover just how dangerous this is. It’s 100% a brutal scam and currently you are involved.
I hope this is helpful to you
Don't quote me.. ok I'll just screenshot your email. He's gonna be so pissed (chuckle).
In all seriousness, journalists really do have to keep writing about this crap, it has never stopped and will never stop. A new one will pop up. Emotional scams are rife as well. It sucks.
MLMs and Churches are so similar. A lot of people that I know that get sucked into MLMs are also very actively involved in church. Interesting correlations.
Sorry but if you are already into evangelism or you find yourself drawn to the plethora of conspiracy crap that suffuses modern life, you really are like that deer in the Larson cartoon with the unfortunate birthmark to these shysters. https://www.pinterest.nz/pin/564638872007927576/
And don't they know it! It might be a coincidence that at least one of the caring mums linked to Voices for Freedom also peddles this stuff, but we're constantly reminded that there are no coincidences.
I was in an evangelical church for a decade. The MLMs praying on women in the congregation were so numerous. All you had to do was run the numbers to discover these ladies were making just a few bucks an hour based on the vast time and effort they were putting in.
Did anyone see the TV series "On becoming a god in Florida"
Kirsten Dunst was awesome.
It's all about just this kind of thing. But with Kirsten Dunst being awesome.
As my gran would say: Sometimes the best way to double your money is to fold it in half and put it back in your wallet!